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Roussette · 22/06/2023 11:00

MarcelProust · 22/06/2023 10:46

Can you prove that they flew private?

I don't need to prove a negative.
It's a bit like saying ..........is a nonce, surely, I would have to prove that. You make the negative accusation you have to prove it.
I just put together instances where a lie was perpetuated on the very subject with the same subjects, multiple times.

@MarcelProust

I so agree with your post. It seems to me on these threads that anyone can say anything about Meghan or indeed Harry, often very negative, sometimes quite unpleasant... and if a poster comes on and says 'is that really the case? Is there a source for that?'
Again and again the answer is... prove what I'm saying isn't true then Shock

This happened a couple of days ago when someone said it was such a shame Meghan wasn't spending time with her children. I asked how anyone would know that... and I was told to prove she was spending time with her kids! I didn't make the negative statement in the first place, why should I have to prove anything?!

So someone on here could say Meghan rang Charles and swore at him and called him a crap father. I could come on and question that happening or ask for a source and be told 'prove that didn't happen then'. 😂

SoTedious · 22/06/2023 11:11

And yes, black South Africans in a township are poor, but they are not devoid of compassion, you know. In fact, I don't recall them being the ones who complained the most (if at all, come to think of it). They've been through apartheid, I think they are in a good position to know what it's like to suffer as a woc.

😂😂 brilliant. Nothing at all crass about a wealthy privileged woman complaining about her life while representing the royal family in an area of extreme poverty. Meghan's interview would presumably also have been just fine and dandy outside Grenfell Tower, or after the Buffalo shooting, or in the aftermath of George Floyd's death.

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 11:23

Howsimplywonderful · 22/06/2023 10:10

I remember we used to do competency based interviews and would drill down to people’s role in a project as everyone was usually ‘instrumental’ but sometimes when asked specific questions it turns out they had no real role.

It looks like Meghan’s role was
to ring Kaboom and ask them to contact the school.

archwell didn’t source land, equipment or people. Some people think they were instrumental, others may disagree. It’s a personal opinion.
It is all over their impact statements.

I live for the day when the same level of scrutiny and obsession is applied to the actual tax funded members of the Royal family. No one in power should be above reproach. It bothers be that they are not transparent with their wealth and that not all laws apply to them, for example. They should be held accountable.

As long we’re not funding Harry and Meghan, I don’t care what they get up to.
They are a convenient distraction and we fall for it every single time.

Roussette · 22/06/2023 11:25

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 11:23

I live for the day when the same level of scrutiny and obsession is applied to the actual tax funded members of the Royal family. No one in power should be above reproach. It bothers be that they are not transparent with their wealth and that not all laws apply to them, for example. They should be held accountable.

As long we’re not funding Harry and Meghan, I don’t care what they get up to.
They are a convenient distraction and we fall for it every single time.

Absolutely 100% spot on

MarcelProust · 22/06/2023 11:25

Roussette · 22/06/2023 11:00

@MarcelProust

I so agree with your post. It seems to me on these threads that anyone can say anything about Meghan or indeed Harry, often very negative, sometimes quite unpleasant... and if a poster comes on and says 'is that really the case? Is there a source for that?'
Again and again the answer is... prove what I'm saying isn't true then Shock

This happened a couple of days ago when someone said it was such a shame Meghan wasn't spending time with her children. I asked how anyone would know that... and I was told to prove she was spending time with her kids! I didn't make the negative statement in the first place, why should I have to prove anything?!

So someone on here could say Meghan rang Charles and swore at him and called him a crap father. I could come on and question that happening or ask for a source and be told 'prove that didn't happen then'. 😂

Exactly.

You can say what you want, it seems. I put in just 3 examples debunking the private jet lies.

Your case is even worse actually. Think about it. Meghan is not seen anywhere, so where is she then? Surely it makes sense she is with her dc. Otherwise someone has to prove that she is somewhere else - no such pics and reports. So random to assume that she is spending time somewhere else, when we are not even seeing pics of her all over the place, away from home.
(please note, Rousette, I'm not accusing you here, but I'm sceptical on the person who put out this statement that Meghan is not spending time with her dc).

Iwantcakeeveryday · 22/06/2023 11:29

I mean, this was a fuck up of epic proportions...

"“We are of the view an apology for British crimes against humanity, including but not limited to the exploitation of the indigenous people of Jamaica, the transatlantic trafficking of Africans, the enslavement of Africans, indentureship and colonialization is necessary to begin a process of healing, forgiveness, reconciliation and compensation,” the letter said.
The letter’s consignatories describe Prince William and Kate as “direct beneficiaries of the wealth accumulated by the royal family…from the trafficking and enslavement of Africans”. In reference to the Queen’s Jubilee, the letter reads: “We see no reason to celebrate 70 years of the ascension of your grandmother to the British throne because her leadership, and that of her predecessors, has perpetuated the greatest human rights tragedy in the history of humankind.”
The following day, Prince William stopped short of an apology, instead expressing “profound sorrow” for the “appalling atrocity of slavery” during an address to Jamaica’s prime minister March 23.
The Advocates Network issued a statement in response, calling the Prince’s words “unacceptable,” adding: “There was no responsibility taken! No call out of centuries of British bloody conquest and plunder.”

https://time.com/6160376/prince-william-kate-royal-tour-controversy-caribbean/

Why Prince William and Kate’s Caribbean Tour Is Controversial

Prince William and Kate Middleton's Caribbean tour is being met with protests and questions about the Queen's involvement with former colonies

https://time.com/6160376/prince-william-kate-royal-tour-controversy-caribbean

Iwantcakeeveryday · 22/06/2023 11:31

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 11:23

I live for the day when the same level of scrutiny and obsession is applied to the actual tax funded members of the Royal family. No one in power should be above reproach. It bothers be that they are not transparent with their wealth and that not all laws apply to them, for example. They should be held accountable.

As long we’re not funding Harry and Meghan, I don’t care what they get up to.
They are a convenient distraction and we fall for it every single time.

Yes exactly, the hypocrisy of not scrutinising the actual tax fund royals right now is mind blowing.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-michael-of-kent-sanctioned-russian-oligarch-boris-rotenberg-adviser-uk-visa-k8trndv5s?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1687248524-1

Prince Michael of Kent’s staff lobbied to get ‘Putinista’ adviser a visa

Prince Michael of Kent’s private office lobbied a senior Foreign Office official to help obtain a fast-track UK visa for a Russian financier closely linked

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-michael-of-kent-sanctioned-russian-oligarch-boris-rotenberg-adviser-uk-visa-k8trndv5s#Echobox=1687248524-1

Roussette · 22/06/2023 11:32

MarcelProust · 22/06/2023 11:25

Exactly.

You can say what you want, it seems. I put in just 3 examples debunking the private jet lies.

Your case is even worse actually. Think about it. Meghan is not seen anywhere, so where is she then? Surely it makes sense she is with her dc. Otherwise someone has to prove that she is somewhere else - no such pics and reports. So random to assume that she is spending time somewhere else, when we are not even seeing pics of her all over the place, away from home.
(please note, Rousette, I'm not accusing you here, but I'm sceptical on the person who put out this statement that Meghan is not spending time with her dc).

I know 😊

Such a random and mean criticism, both of them come across as hands on parents so to insinuate that about her for no reason at all is a low blow on a parenting website

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/06/2023 11:39

All those answers were from direct questions

Yes, and all from preferred interviwers, who like Oprah doubtless insult our intelligence by pretending they didn't know what the questions would be

Nobody with sense would deny black South Africans and the Invictus vets know what suffering is and share compassion, but if you really can't see what was wrong with a people of extreme privilege using these particular opportunities to whinge I'm not sure anyone can help

And my last paragraph meant exactly what it said, that the rest of the RF can also be tone deaf on occasion, but that on the whole they do a better job of hiding their cynical use of others
For some of us it's not about H&M bad/rest good ... they all get it wrong far too often, and if they'd rather people didn't comment that's just too bad

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 11:46

Queen Consort Camilla’s nephew, Conservative Party chair, Ben Elliot, was tied to cash-for-access scandals with King Charles’s charity in 2021. Now, he’s on disgraced Boris Johnson’s honours list, which was approved by the King, & will be in the House of Lords.

Surely this conflict of interest should be of concern to us.

But Meghan.
But Dior.

Howsimplywonderful · 22/06/2023 11:46

As they have been accused of ‘grifting’ surely people are entitled to scrutinise their actions and wonder their input into the projects they attach their name too.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/06/2023 11:51

Queen Consort Camilla’s nephew, Conservative Party chair, Ben Elliot, was tied to cash-for-access scandals with King Charles’s charity in 2021. Now, he’s on disgraced Boris Johnson’s honours list, which was approved by the King, & will be in the House of Lords

You don't say Hmm

Considering what his aunt's made on the deal and Charles's own notorious lack of judgement, I'd be more surprised if various ghastly relatives hadn't jostled for a place at the trough
Add Boris into the mix and the outtcome was never likely to be good

Iwantcakeeveryday · 22/06/2023 11:51

And my last paragraph meant exactly what it said, that the rest of the RF can also be tone deaf on occasion, but that on the whole they do a better job of hiding their cynical use of others

That's one opinion, I think the opposite. They constantly use other people for good PR and to continue their ridiculous lifestyle that somehow means they do the absolute bare minimum for an astonishing amount of money. William announcing he'll end homelessness is completely tone deaf and offensive for someone in his position, at the top of society and exempt from laws that impact other peoples ability to pass on their wealth to their children. Every time they 'help' someone, it benefits their public image, or not. That's why they do it. Anyone can cut ribbons as Philip said, when they do it though, it keeps those millions rolling in and maintains those cosy chats with government to write yourself out of being subject to the laws of the country like everyone else .

Iwantcakeeveryday · 22/06/2023 11:52

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 11:46

Queen Consort Camilla’s nephew, Conservative Party chair, Ben Elliot, was tied to cash-for-access scandals with King Charles’s charity in 2021. Now, he’s on disgraced Boris Johnson’s honours list, which was approved by the King, & will be in the House of Lords.

Surely this conflict of interest should be of concern to us.

But Meghan.
But Dior.

yeah its so much more important to talk about a Dior collab than things that actually impact us.

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 11:58

One could argue that the concept of the Royal family is the biggest grift of all.
Taking hundreds of millions of our hard earned taxes.

Zero scrutiny.
Zero accountability.
Zero transparency.

Just endless PR being shoved down our throats 24/7.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/06/2023 12:02

(The RF) constantly use other people for good PR and to continue their ridiculous lifestyle that somehow means they do the absolute bare minimum for an astonishing amount of money

They certainly do and I've often said the same

Unfortunately they also have much better PR staff of their own, who enable a relationship with the media which means too much of it never sees the light of day

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/06/2023 12:17

One could argue that the concept of the Royal family is the biggest grift of all

Indeed, but as I've also said before, where do you think Harry got his ridiculous sense of entitlement? To use an old saying you can take the guy out of the palace but not necessarily the palace out of the guy, and where he happens to be living now is just geography

I do wish sometimes that there wasn't so much of this team RF/team H&M going on ... they're all at it, and criticising one doesn't mean someone's automatically giving the others a pass

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 12:20

‘King Charles III has inherited assets that have propelled his wealth to almost £2bn, according to extensive research and analysis.

The monarch’s personal fortune is largely concealed from public scrutiny and it is impossible to know the complete value of his estate.

The research throws into sharp relief the Windsor family’s most valuable financial asset: total immunity from inheritance tax. It has probably* *allowed Charles to receive his mother’s wealth free of any contribution to the public purse.’

Where’s the outrage? The endless threads, Reddit comments, Daily Mail articles, Tom Bower, TV discussions and phone-ins, Pier’s rants?

But Spotify.
But Netflix.
But Dior

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2023/apr/20/revealed-king-charless-private-fortune-estimated-at-almost-2bn

Revealed: King Charles’s private fortune estimated at £1.8bn

King’s fortune includes cars, jewellery, property, investments, horses, rare stamps, art and a hereditary estate

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2023/apr/20/revealed-king-charless-private-fortune-estimated-at-almost-2bn

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 12:20

It looks like Meghan’s role was to ring Kaboom and ask them to contact the school.

archwell didn’t source land, equipment or people. Some people think they were instrumental, others may disagree. It’s a personal opinion.
It is all over their impact statements.

I would be interested to hear from Kaboom! and the City of Uvalde as to the level of Archwell's involvement. Do you have any details from them?

Iwantcakeeveryday · 22/06/2023 12:20

I do wish sometimes that there wasn't so much of this team RF/team H&M going on ... they're all at it, and criticising one doesn't mean someone's automatically giving the others a pass

There is a disproportionate amount of scrutiny and attention given to Harry and Meghan here and little to none of the RF who are the original, and existing, grifters. Except they take it from us. I mean days and days about Spotify but very little conversations on anything to do with the actual current 'working' ( grifting) royals. If you wish there wasn't;t so much of pointing this out, perhaps be a bit fairer in the time you give to criticising H & M, who are no longer taking your money.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 22/06/2023 12:21

@Ninaplant 👏👏👏

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 12:23

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/06/2023 12:17

One could argue that the concept of the Royal family is the biggest grift of all

Indeed, but as I've also said before, where do you think Harry got his ridiculous sense of entitlement? To use an old saying you can take the guy out of the palace but not necessarily the palace out of the guy, and where he happens to be living now is just geography

I do wish sometimes that there wasn't so much of this team RF/team H&M going on ... they're all at it, and criticising one doesn't mean someone's automatically giving the others a pass

He can be as entitled as he wants. As long as he isn’t getting a single penny from us, I don’t care. He doesn’t need to justify himself to us. Not anymore.

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 12:26

It seems that several people didn't even know who she was and wondered who the person was handing out chips to blood donors.

Heaven forbid! Seems like this goes contrary to the narrative that she did all of this for attention.

Serenster · 22/06/2023 12:28

Heaven forbid! Seems like this goes contrary to the narrative that she did all of this for attention.

It’s the press release she sent out immediately afterwards that mostly gave that impression, to be fair.

skullbabe · 22/06/2023 12:40

to say nothing of Meghan's sobfest in a South African township of all places

Indeed. It was really important that Meghan should have known that her interviewer asking her how she was doing personally when she had been having a tough time was not an invitation to be honest about her feelings of being under continual scrutiny especially as a new mother. I think that's an important message to share with all priviledged women especially of the west - sharing that they're having a tough time during periods of change or expressing pain is always unwelcome particulary because there are people worse off than you. I wonder if we should shut down Mumsnet - after all the internet is everywhere and we have some many women on this site engaging in sobfests about their lives which can be read by the people in South African townships. We cannot have that. It's totally insensitive.

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