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Gracewithoutend · 21/06/2023 14:12

It doesn't look to me like she's checking out photos. She'd need eyes of a hawk to see past that guys head. Anyway, there's video of her leaving immediately after laying the flowers and contemplating, so I very much doubt she went back.

The press release was a bit 🙄, though.

Gracewithoutend · 21/06/2023 14:13

LadyMuckingabout · 21/06/2023 14:12

She took bodyguards, an Archewell person and photographers in a private jet.

How do you know? Why would she need more than one photographer?

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/06/2023 14:17

Kate went maskless to the Sarah Everard vigil, and was not pinned to the ground as other women were. Plenty of photos of her being 'one of the people' too.

BadgerB · 21/06/2023 14:30

Iwantcakeeveryday · Today 14:17
Kate went maskless to the Sarah Everard vigil, and was not pinned to the ground as other women were. Plenty of photos of her being 'one of the people' too.

Not this again!
Kate went anonymously with one plain-clothes policewoman as bodyguard. A couple of miles from K.P. where they then lived. She merged with the crowds and the only photograph was taken on the phone of a woman who recognised her. As far as I know there was one photograph.
Kate had lived in that area with her sister before she married.

Nothing like Meghan's full-on circus....

BoohooWoohoo · 21/06/2023 14:31

Gracewithoutend · 21/06/2023 12:41

I saw an interview with Tom Bower last night. I don't know how reliable he is, but he says that they were in talks with Dior which might be why she's lost so much weight.

Mind you, he said other things which were sort of hard to believe but I guess they were just things they were talking about and rejected so it's possible, I suppose.

Dior denies the story.

Meghan Markle - Duchess of Dior?
Gracewithoutend · 21/06/2023 14:31

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/06/2023 14:17

Kate went maskless to the Sarah Everard vigil, and was not pinned to the ground as other women were. Plenty of photos of her being 'one of the people' too.

Why would she wear a mask? You didn't have to when outside.
She,attended during the,day. No one was 'pinned down' during the day. It was the night time vigil where the police became heavy-handed.
Why do you hold Kate responsible for that?

She walked there from her home, in a city that she's lived in from being a young woman. She's in line to the throne of the country that it happened in.
That's completely different to flying to city nearly 1,500 miles away, that you have no connection with, and you don't have any official capacity. Plus, isn't she ecologically against unnecessary travelling.

I think Meghan meant well, but a simple tweet expressing condolences would probably have been the better thing. I think the Bidens called it right.

BoohooWoohoo · 21/06/2023 14:35

BadgerB · 21/06/2023 14:30

Iwantcakeeveryday · Today 14:17
Kate went maskless to the Sarah Everard vigil, and was not pinned to the ground as other women were. Plenty of photos of her being 'one of the people' too.

Not this again!
Kate went anonymously with one plain-clothes policewoman as bodyguard. A couple of miles from K.P. where they then lived. She merged with the crowds and the only photograph was taken on the phone of a woman who recognised her. As far as I know there was one photograph.
Kate had lived in that area with her sister before she married.

Nothing like Meghan's full-on circus....

Plus the police acted at night where as Catherine visited during the day.

Gracewithoutend · 21/06/2023 14:38

BoohooWoohoo · 21/06/2023 14:31

Dior denies the story.

I did say I don't know how reliable Tom Bower is because he told another too unlike story fir me to repeat. But on the other hand would Dior say, "We were in talks but when we saw the grifter comments, we decided not to bother.”?
Why stress 'no recent contact'? That sounds like there might been discussions, maybe when she joined WME in Jan/Feb. But until Harry's or maybe Ari Emanuel's, next book, we'll probably never know. 🙂

skullbabe · 21/06/2023 14:40

maranella · 21/06/2023 13:36

Wow! If that's true that is a whole other level of cynical and calculated.

She did not take photographers with her. The picture in which she is walking trying to get past a photographer is consistently the one which people are saying she is looking at the picture the photographer is taking - she may well have been but she is also trying to walk past two people, one of who is ground level and it would behove most people to look at that person to avoid stepping on them.

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StrawberryWasp · 21/06/2023 14:48

Diana used opportunities when she knew the press were going to be there to create iconic images.

That feels very different from trying to create an iconic image by staging it with your own photographer.

The press were there for Diana on those occasions because they were covering her doing her job: promoting causes, attending events and royal tours.

MM doesn't now have a job to photograph her doing, she's trying to make her job being photographed.

I keep thinking about the 'service is universal' statement& thinking they really didn't get what the royal family is.

They really imagined people would pay them to be philanthropists, because that's what they thought the royal family is, and now they're finding they have to try cover their own costs in any way they can, philanthropy seems a pipe dream.

LadyMuckingabout · 21/06/2023 14:50

But she was there, flew there on a private jet, took bodyguards, and issued a press release. And publicly bought “snacks” for those at the blood donor centre. So even if she had no photographers Hmm it was still pretty crass behaviour.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/06/2023 14:57

Yes, of course its ok for Kate to do.. despite the lockdown restrictions at the time. Of course she was totally expecting to do so anonymously and without anyone taking her photo, just slipping in and out unnoticed. Of course. Nothing to do with what an amazing PR opportunity it would be for the family.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/06/2023 15:01

They really imagined people would pay them to be philanthropists, because that's what they thought the royal family is, and now they're finding they have to try cover their own costs in any way they can, philanthropy seems a pipe dream.

What? Why on earth would they think that? What I think peoples problem is with the 'service is universal' statement, is that royal fans actually really believe only the royal family can do charity work, you know because they have nothing else to do, and that is a unique position which is why we maintain this ridiculous royal family system. But the fact is plenty of people who are not royal do enormous good in their lives, they do live a life of service. They may be wealthy, they may not. But you absolutely do not need to be a member of the royal family to be of service to others and it is arrogant and rude to imply it. I do not think they expected to be paid for it, but the royals are paid for it and they clearly do expect that to continue.

MarcelProust · 21/06/2023 15:10

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/06/2023 14:57

Yes, of course its ok for Kate to do.. despite the lockdown restrictions at the time. Of course she was totally expecting to do so anonymously and without anyone taking her photo, just slipping in and out unnoticed. Of course. Nothing to do with what an amazing PR opportunity it would be for the family.

It was lockdown restrictions.

Kate pulled down her mask and had an 'off duty' reporter photograph her.The police were there and Cressida twisted herself into a pretzel to defend why the police only actioned when Kate left- probably one of the reasons Kahn let her go.

Meghan wore some non descript jeans, T-shirt and cap and quickly walked in to lay flowers. She then brought some food for the volunteers and talked to the Head of a charity and made sure that their wish for a playground is fulfilled.

But guess who gets slaughtered.

BastetsWhiskers · 21/06/2023 15:16

BadgerB · 21/06/2023 14:30

Iwantcakeeveryday · Today 14:17
Kate went maskless to the Sarah Everard vigil, and was not pinned to the ground as other women were. Plenty of photos of her being 'one of the people' too.

Not this again!
Kate went anonymously with one plain-clothes policewoman as bodyguard. A couple of miles from K.P. where they then lived. She merged with the crowds and the only photograph was taken on the phone of a woman who recognised her. As far as I know there was one photograph.
Kate had lived in that area with her sister before she married.

Nothing like Meghan's full-on circus....

I did think that was heartfelt, she talked about the potential dangers of women walking at night after going out, which a lot of us feel. Also same area as she had lived in.

I do believe Meghan felt for the children and families but that shouldn't have been combined with a photo op. Kate's wasn't.

Gracewithoutend · 21/06/2023 15:19

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/06/2023 14:57

Yes, of course its ok for Kate to do.. despite the lockdown restrictions at the time. Of course she was totally expecting to do so anonymously and without anyone taking her photo, just slipping in and out unnoticed. Of course. Nothing to do with what an amazing PR opportunity it would be for the family.

There were no lockdown restrictions of people going out during the day and wearing masks!
It might have been a planted phone camera on an employee and a PR move but she lives in London, 5 mins away from the vigil site. She lived-in London without police protection for several years. She works within of the Head of States remit and does official visits. She represents the country, although this was unofficial.
It's worlds away from Meghan's visit.

Gracewithoutend · 21/06/2023 15:33

It was lockdown restrictions.
Kate pulled down her mask and had an 'off duty' reporter photographher.Thepolice were there and Cressida twisted herself into a pretzel to defend why the police only actioned when Kate left- probably one of the reasons Kahn let her go.

You didn't have to wear a mask outdoors during the second lockdown.
There's no evidence that she ever wore a mask. No mask around her neck.
No evidence of an official photographer - although that might have been the case.
She went in the afternoon. There was no police involvement during the laying of flowers during the day. It was in the evening when people started to congregate in large numbers that the police got involved.
It had nothing to do with Kate, who'd long since gone.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/06/2023 15:48

They knew Kate was going in the afternoon, obviously they wouldn't;t get heavy handed when they knew she was turning up.

MarcelProust · 21/06/2023 15:51

Pretty much everyone was wearing masks.

The police were there and took no action till after Kate left. It was a big deal in London.

Meghan Markle - Duchess of Dior?
Meghan Markle - Duchess of Dior?
Meghan Markle - Duchess of Dior?
StrawberryWasp · 21/06/2023 15:52

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/06/2023 15:01

They really imagined people would pay them to be philanthropists, because that's what they thought the royal family is, and now they're finding they have to try cover their own costs in any way they can, philanthropy seems a pipe dream.

What? Why on earth would they think that? What I think peoples problem is with the 'service is universal' statement, is that royal fans actually really believe only the royal family can do charity work, you know because they have nothing else to do, and that is a unique position which is why we maintain this ridiculous royal family system. But the fact is plenty of people who are not royal do enormous good in their lives, they do live a life of service. They may be wealthy, they may not. But you absolutely do not need to be a member of the royal family to be of service to others and it is arrogant and rude to imply it. I do not think they expected to be paid for it, but the royals are paid for it and they clearly do expect that to continue.

They thought the RF get paid to do charity work because they're famous and we love them.
Instead of realising the RF get paid to do charity work because that's the actual job of some members of the RF.
Edward doesn't do charity work because he's such a uniquely amazing caring person. I don't know if he is or he isn't. He does it because it's the job of the Duke of Edinburgh.

Of course lots of other people do charity work. Either it's their actual job because they have relevant skills, or they do it voluntarily.

This numpty pair imagined a life of travelling about doing good deeds whilst people gave them money to use for it.
That's neither a job nor voluntary.

The only people who can do that type of philanthropy are the very very wealthy who are prepared to give a lot away.
Most of them do it privately.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/06/2023 16:07

Instead of realising the RF get paid to do charity work because that's the actual job of some members of the RF.

They get paid so well for their charity work don't they? I don;t know many charity workers who live like them... in fact they're unique in that regard. Its a lot of money for 'charity' work, while they remain so independently wealthy they could actually do proper philanthropic work and not need us to give them a penny.

This numpty pair imagined a life of travelling about doing good deeds whilst people gave them money to use for it.
That's neither a job nor voluntary.

No they didn't. They always intended to do both. Lots of famous people manage their jobs and a lot of charitable work alongside that. Only the royals expect to not have proper jobs and get paid to do 'charity'.

SquirmOfEels · 21/06/2023 16:33

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/06/2023 14:17

Kate went maskless to the Sarah Everard vigil, and was not pinned to the ground as other women were. Plenty of photos of her being 'one of the people' too.

She visited during the afternoon, as did hundreds of others.

The commemoration went on for a whole week, with no police intervention, except in the few hours after the formal speeches of the vigil (which was well attended, and after which many local people dispersed (there had, for example, been a lot from DC's school, and loads of other locals I recognised). It was the people who arrived after that, and continued to arrive in numbers, and the change in mood that prompted the police to ask for dispersal, to make warnings, and after about 40 mins, move in.

The Duchess has been and gone several hours before the formal speeches began.

Gracewithoutend · 21/06/2023 16:47

MarcelProust · 21/06/2023 15:51

Pretty much everyone was wearing masks.

The police were there and took no action till after Kate left. It was a big deal in London.

It was optional to wear a mask. I never wore a mask outside when shopping nor when walking the dog. It was an individuals choice.

Kate went for 10 mins in the afternoon. It was gone 6 when the police stepped in. The numbers,and conditions had changed.
How does that have anything to do with Kate? 🙄

Gracewithoutend · 21/06/2023 16:48

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/06/2023 15:48

They knew Kate was going in the afternoon, obviously they wouldn't;t get heavy handed when they knew she was turning up.

🙄

BadgerB · 21/06/2023 17:12

There's an immense difference between Kate as one in a crowd one bodyguard, photographed on someone's camera, and Meghan all on her own, laying flowers, having travelled hundreds of miles by private jet, looking sad. But surrounded by numerous cameramen. Who just happened to be even though there were no other mourners around at the time.

What luck, eh!

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