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Gracewithoutend · 18/06/2023 16:25

tigger2022 · 18/06/2023 14:10

I could be projecting but I don’t think it’s fair to have a go at Meghan for cutting people off or suggest she’s a user. All of the cutting off came AFTER Harry, and we all know cutting off relationships and becoming isolated is a symptom of being in a toxic relationship

You think that Harry forced her to cut off her niece who she though of as a sister? I dunno. I don't see Meghan being controlled like that. She seems to me to use her victim status to excuse her behaviour but I she doesn't come across as a victim. She's quite assertive in her behaviour towards Harry.

WaterIris · 18/06/2023 16:29

No particular feelings on H&M one way or the other. What I found interesting is that the article reads like a PR piece which has been positioned to start sowing seeds for a separation or divorce. Just me speculating, but that's how it reads to me, as the language from the sources quoted seems quite consistent in positioning her as going her own way.

WaterIris · 18/06/2023 16:30

Ellaelle · 18/06/2023 16:25

So exciting! Very happy for princess Meghan what a fabulous opportunity, this will make a lot of people cry though lol I hope she laughs all the way to the bank!

I didn't think she was a Princess? If she is a Princess then why does she refer to herself as the Duchess of Sussex?

pilates · 18/06/2023 16:36

She’s a Duchess

Gracewithoutend · 18/06/2023 16:38

queenofarles · 18/06/2023 16:11

If she starts working with Dior, that will be the last thing I ever buy from them. I hope many others will also boycott them
why?
I shop at Dior so did my mother and now my dd is very interested in them too,
core customers don’t really care who are the brand ambassadors in other continents are ,nor are they much influenced by what Celebes wear.
customers start placing orders straight after the runway shows and before any celebs even get to try anything.
meghan adds nothing nor takes anything from Dior , it won’t be a bud light kind of response for sure.

I don't shop at Dior because I can't afford to. Haha. And also I think it's a bit pretentious. 😲 I know I shouldn't say that! But Im not a lover of their designs. And I don't get the love for designer bags. They're expensive, still get scuffed and are quite ordinary. I used to wear their perfume (pure poison) but my body chemistry changed. I see nothing particularly appealing about Dior.

BUT if I liked them, I agree 100% I'd still shop with them if someone I didn't like became their ad model. I wouldn't cut off my nose. Cadbury fruit and nut could use Mussolini and the most I'd do is raise my eyebrows as I stuffed a bar into my mouth. Lol. The heart wants what the heart wants.

Gracewithoutend · 18/06/2023 16:39

WaterIris · 18/06/2023 16:30

I didn't think she was a Princess? If she is a Princess then why does she refer to herself as the Duchess of Sussex?

Oh, just don't rise to it. She does it on purpose.

WasabiWinner · 18/06/2023 16:40

Boulshired · 18/06/2023 15:50

All I want is for them (mainly Harry) to stop making money off slating the royal family. It’s good all round if they can earn enough wealth to support their huge overheads as if they can’t it can be guaranteed that the UK will somehow end up paying the huge upcoming cost of educating and protecting their children. Happy for Meghan if she gets a Dior campaign as it will be a step closer to ending this circus. But I do think that many want the failure as they are enjoying the circus- which I’m guilty of as well.

I'm also guilty of similar, but I don't want Meghan to fail or otherwise.
I'm more curious as to how she's going to pull a rabbit out of a hat.
The truth is that not many celebrities make the kind of money, for her to live the lifestyle they want.

As I posted earlier fitness/lifestyle influencers tend to top out at around 20 million.

MM+H's current 'estimated' net worth is 60 million, but at most 15 million of that is independent wealth (her Suits money, his inheritance).

The rest comes from signing multi-year deals. Spotify (estimated 20 million). Netflix (estimated 100 million).

Given that security alone costs 3 million, and that their house costs 4.4 million (estimates!) That's close to 10 million a year, which is slightly less than their independent wealth.

It's quite hard to calculate how much they need to be earning to finance their lifestyle (as it depends on the liquidity of assets etc) but I'd say they need at least 50 million coming in a year, to be safe. Not sure how much the mult-year deals will bring in as their estimated value is probably tied to output and, like the Spotify deal will cost them if cancelled.

For comparison, A-List celebs like Jennifer Lawrence, Vin Diesel etc can
get paid in double-digit millions per movie. But that's not just their base salary, it's because they have worked a lot, in hits films, and received a cut of the profits.

Many well-acclaimed actors/actresses (e.g. Sandra Oh , Emilia Clarke, Olivia Coleman) are not worth that much. Again bearing in mind that TV is less lucrative than the silver screen.

I find it fascinating, but then again I like numbers and money...

MamoruHisaishi · 18/06/2023 16:40

unbelieveable22 · 18/06/2023 14:27

Hardly rocket science now was it? All of 2 minutes max. A quick look at first page in which over half of the threads are about H&M something that's obvious from the title. A quick click on any title shows who thread starter is.
Not difficult or time consuming. I'm sure both are discussed on other threads as some cannot seem to comment on anything in this section without mentioning them.

You're right to ask, what is it to me? Absolutely nothing. It was just an observation as I sat with my coffee. Nothing obsessive about it. Indeed I'm quite perplexed at some of your questions and 'observations'.
I would be uncomfortable with any person or persons getting the abuse, accusations, distortions, suppositions and everything else directed at H&M. The obsessiveness of some is disturbing to say the least. Yes H&M made some mistakes but are any of us perfect?
I will continue to read and observe and possibly even comment again. I am eagerly awaiting the promised contribution from @MrsMaxdeWinter Now there's a poster whose contributions are worth reading. So glad they are back. Kept cool under intense provocation.
Good luck to both H&M in whatever they decide to do going forward either together or separately.

I’m not the one here counting threads and paying attention to how many threads posters here are making regarding harry and Meghan. That to me is actually strange and I would even say obsessive, especially as it’s directed towards other posters instead of a celebrity couple who probably don’t even know this board exists. Like why go to the trouble of counting threads and who posts what if you’re not ‘bothered’ by the criticism they’re getting. I don’t go around checking many posts you make of certain individuals, because why would I? It’s no big deal to me. I post here to gossip. That’s it.

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lifekeepsgoing · 18/06/2023 16:41

MamoruHisaishi

I am not deeply hurt by the relentless bullying of Meghan I just find it to be really unpleasant. Can you think of any other figure in the media who gets this kind of harsh treatment so regularly. I am no superfan either. I like many liked her a lot when she first came on the scene but have no doubt she may well have behaved at times in a way that could bring criticism but this response to her is disproportionate and just so nasty somehow. It is as if people want to see her downfall and I think that is so mean.

Gracewithoutend · 18/06/2023 16:42

WaterIris · 18/06/2023 16:29

No particular feelings on H&M one way or the other. What I found interesting is that the article reads like a PR piece which has been positioned to start sowing seeds for a separation or divorce. Just me speculating, but that's how it reads to me, as the language from the sources quoted seems quite consistent in positioning her as going her own way.

Obviously a PR piece to limit damage to their reputation. But there'll be no divorce in the Sussex household. That would be a disaster for them both. Maybe a bit more separation at different hotels, lol, but no divorce.

MamoruHisaishi · 18/06/2023 16:44

WaterIris · 18/06/2023 16:29

No particular feelings on H&M one way or the other. What I found interesting is that the article reads like a PR piece which has been positioned to start sowing seeds for a separation or divorce. Just me speculating, but that's how it reads to me, as the language from the sources quoted seems quite consistent in positioning her as going her own way.

That’s what I thought too. If they’re just trying to separate their brands from each other, surely attacking their partner publicly in order to uplift themselves isn’t the way to go?

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Ellaelle · 18/06/2023 16:44

WaterIris · 18/06/2023 16:30

I didn't think she was a Princess? If she is a Princess then why does she refer to herself as the Duchess of Sussex?

OK?🙄

MamoruHisaishi · 18/06/2023 16:47

Gracewithoutend · 18/06/2023 16:42

Obviously a PR piece to limit damage to their reputation. But there'll be no divorce in the Sussex household. That would be a disaster for them both. Maybe a bit more separation at different hotels, lol, but no divorce.

Maybe no divorce but the article describes Harry as being toxic as well as other unflattering descriptions. If they’re not planning on divorcing or separating why use language that fuels this speculation?

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MamoruHisaishi · 18/06/2023 16:52

WasabiWinner · 18/06/2023 16:40

I'm also guilty of similar, but I don't want Meghan to fail or otherwise.
I'm more curious as to how she's going to pull a rabbit out of a hat.
The truth is that not many celebrities make the kind of money, for her to live the lifestyle they want.

As I posted earlier fitness/lifestyle influencers tend to top out at around 20 million.

MM+H's current 'estimated' net worth is 60 million, but at most 15 million of that is independent wealth (her Suits money, his inheritance).

The rest comes from signing multi-year deals. Spotify (estimated 20 million). Netflix (estimated 100 million).

Given that security alone costs 3 million, and that their house costs 4.4 million (estimates!) That's close to 10 million a year, which is slightly less than their independent wealth.

It's quite hard to calculate how much they need to be earning to finance their lifestyle (as it depends on the liquidity of assets etc) but I'd say they need at least 50 million coming in a year, to be safe. Not sure how much the mult-year deals will bring in as their estimated value is probably tied to output and, like the Spotify deal will cost them if cancelled.

For comparison, A-List celebs like Jennifer Lawrence, Vin Diesel etc can
get paid in double-digit millions per movie. But that's not just their base salary, it's because they have worked a lot, in hits films, and received a cut of the profits.

Many well-acclaimed actors/actresses (e.g. Sandra Oh , Emilia Clarke, Olivia Coleman) are not worth that much. Again bearing in mind that TV is less lucrative than the silver screen.

I find it fascinating, but then again I like numbers and money...

perhaps they also have made investments that we’re not aware of? Like I don’t think they’re billionaire rich, but they clearly have enough money to waste on frivolous lawsuits and to not care about working hard for their upkeep.

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BastetsWhiskers · 18/06/2023 16:57

They have enough money 🤷‍♀️

It doesn't matter what narrative they try to forcefeed. And they're not hard done by in other ways.

AutumnCrow · 18/06/2023 16:59

I wonder how Harry feels today reading of his 'toxic dramas' in the MailOnline, in an article at least partly sourced by WME - his wife's PR & Talent agency.

WaterIris · 18/06/2023 17:01

Ellaelle · 18/06/2023 16:44

OK?🙄

OK, what? Not entirely sure why you've posted an eye roll there; or do you have an issue with people asking you questions?

She calls herself the Duchess of Sussex. I'm not particularly au fait with the royals and their protocols, but if her title is 'Princess Meghan' (as you've referred to her), then why doesn't she call herself this? Or is she not a Princess?

WasabiWinner · 18/06/2023 17:02

MamoruHisaishi · 18/06/2023 16:52

perhaps they also have made investments that we’re not aware of? Like I don’t think they’re billionaire rich, but they clearly have enough money to waste on frivolous lawsuits and to not care about working hard for their upkeep.

Maybe, but I doubt it. That's not how 'investments' work. You need big cash injections to multiply your income in such a short time. Unless you're a venture capital firm, and even they win some, lose some.

It's such a pity. They were well set up for a happy life as ordinary people if that's what they wished.

Even among other actors/actresses some are happy to have made it big with a couple of million, others are set on chasing stardom. All part of the variety of human nature...

Gracewithoutend · 18/06/2023 17:04

MamoruHisaishi · 18/06/2023 16:47

Maybe no divorce but the article describes Harry as being toxic as well as other unflattering descriptions. If they’re not planning on divorcing or separating why use language that fuels this speculation?

Oops, I need go read the article. Hehe. I'll be back.

MamoruHisaishi · 18/06/2023 17:10

lifekeepsgoing · 18/06/2023 16:41

MamoruHisaishi

I am not deeply hurt by the relentless bullying of Meghan I just find it to be really unpleasant. Can you think of any other figure in the media who gets this kind of harsh treatment so regularly. I am no superfan either. I like many liked her a lot when she first came on the scene but have no doubt she may well have behaved at times in a way that could bring criticism but this response to her is disproportionate and just so nasty somehow. It is as if people want to see her downfall and I think that is so mean.

Plenty actually - I even wrote a list of celebrity names here who have gotten harsh treatment from the media. I recall Catherine was relentlessly attacked when she was dating William, everything about her, her looks, background, family were criticised. And speaking of which, Kim Kardashian built her whole career/empire on her infamy, I recall articles from the New York Times to buzzfeed and other publications attacking her and making fun of her, there was a lot of hyperbolic vitriol directed against her as being a bad influence on girls, and how she represented the downfall of the USA. It was pretty crazy stuff, and all because she released a sex tape and became famous for showing off her butt.

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HundredMilesAnHour · 18/06/2023 17:10

WaterIris · 18/06/2023 17:01

OK, what? Not entirely sure why you've posted an eye roll there; or do you have an issue with people asking you questions?

She calls herself the Duchess of Sussex. I'm not particularly au fait with the royals and their protocols, but if her title is 'Princess Meghan' (as you've referred to her), then why doesn't she call herself this? Or is she not a Princess?

Because she isn't Princess Meghan. She's the Princess Harry (actually the Princess Henry) a.k.a. Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. She isn't Princess Meghan nor will she ever be.

WaterIris · 18/06/2023 17:12

HundredMilesAnHour · 18/06/2023 17:10

Because she isn't Princess Meghan. She's the Princess Harry (actually the Princess Henry) a.k.a. Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. She isn't Princess Meghan nor will she ever be.

Ah OK, that makes sense, thank you.

WaterIris · 18/06/2023 17:14

MamoruHisaishi · 18/06/2023 17:10

Plenty actually - I even wrote a list of celebrity names here who have gotten harsh treatment from the media. I recall Catherine was relentlessly attacked when she was dating William, everything about her, her looks, background, family were criticised. And speaking of which, Kim Kardashian built her whole career/empire on her infamy, I recall articles from the New York Times to buzzfeed and other publications attacking her and making fun of her, there was a lot of hyperbolic vitriol directed against her as being a bad influence on girls, and how she represented the downfall of the USA. It was pretty crazy stuff, and all because she released a sex tape and became famous for showing off her butt.

I do remember very unpleasant articles - mostly from the Mail - about Catherine, before her and William became engaged. Lots of banging on about her middle class background, and calling her Waitey Katie.

Gracewithoutend · 18/06/2023 17:22

OK read it.

The source said: 'Ari won't make those kind of mistakes. He's super connected, tough and brilliant.'

The source wouldn't happen to be Ari, would it? 😂😂😂

Its a sad piece. There's nothing really positive about either Meghan or Harry. The whole article is more about the stoking up the reputation of the brilliance of Ari Emanuel that it is about Meghan, who's being portrayed as some kind of puppet who isn't bright enough to make any decisions on her own but needs a few good men to advise her. The adults in the room.

Ugh. How patronising.

skullbabe · 18/06/2023 17:35

AutumnCrow · 18/06/2023 11:19

That's why I assume it has a counter-balance crash-and-burn story lined up. It could have been sitting on a lot of this stuff for ages, and has published it today because it also knows that it has a 'Duchess Dior Dreams Dashed' story ready to go.

Even if it was always going to be handbags, the Mail can spin it as 'No Glamour Gowns for Duchess! A Source Reveals Handbag Deal Only Shame'.

You know how it works.

Agreed - this piece is very minimally about Meghan. It’s about WME and sticking the boot to Harry. The inevitable Dior denial will come through next week and you’ll be right - Duchess Dior Dream Dashed/Denied. 🙄

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