Harry and his truth

[TrashyPanda]

Let’s try again folks!

the aftermath of Harry’s court appearance and what happens next

I didn’t see any of it or read the (biased) media - was there an indication of his demeanour throughout?

Did he handle it with dignity and coherence?

And I think it is important to remember that William was also young when he lost his mother, plus there were much greater expectations placed on him his whole life, which must be stressful.

Harry seems to garner a lot of sympathy for losing his mum, while William is barely mentioned.

He kept saying he couldn’t recall when asked about his statements.

he addressed the judge directly at least three times, which is a huge gaff and very rude

he didn’t bother to turn up on Monday when the judge had specifically told him to be there

he told some complete untruths, eg saying he did not walk on streets, when he has previously spoken about doing just that and has been photographed too!

All media is biased. It's just a matter of whether you agree with that bias or not.

@TheCrystalPalace - it is very strange indeed.

especially the stuff about Meghan. Why does he think that his case about hacking years ago (and for the avoidance of doubt, hacking is despicable) has got anything to do with the opinions people hold about Meghan? People have seen her interviews, we have seen the snippy back snaps to QEII, we’ve made up our minds based on these things.

the irony is that Harry seemed so happy before, even though he says he was miserable. And now he is living his best life, with a wife he adores and two kids - and he seems so miserable and bitter, like it is consuming him.

I think that’s probably down to Harry fatigue. He and his wife have over saturated themselves in the media since leaving the RF. The media probably can’t muster much energy to bother as it’s all a bit Groundhog Day with those two.

I agree with all this.

For Harry - I don't think anything will be clear with this court case till we get the judge's judgment and comments.

PR wise - I think it be a flurry of excitement - then mixed reviews on impact performance - and then back to where he was really.

He has a huge number of other legal cases coming up - so we have yet more of the same to come so I think publicity fatigue with court cases will set in.

I do worry that if he doesn’t get a win in any of these cases, it will send him into a complete black hole, psychologically. His whole self worth seems to ride on them.

if Meghan succeeds in becoming a wealthy influencer, a la Goopy or Martha Stewart, and can afford the security and lifestyle they need or want, maybe Harry can step back, just do his charity work, introduce the kids to Africa, be a house husband, mend some fences? If he doesn’t have to put himself out there , maybe he’ll be happier?

I don’t want to see them split up. All of this has to be for something.

I completely agree - he wants a relationship with the press that means they only publish positive pieces on him and Meghan, with anything else not allowed.

I agree. I wonder if part of what drew him to Meghan was the thought that she would overtake Kate in stealing the hearts of the nation as the new people's princess with her charm and youthful attitude and make them the more popular power couple of the two.

Didn't she say in an interview that H told her that the public were guaranteed to love her and all she would have to do was throw out the cool soundbytes and do the doe-eyed thing (which she did to death to her credit). The plan backfired, the public was delighted to see the back of them and the family are probably happy about the distance as well.

He effectively set up an informal royal office in his Californian pile and capitalised on the titles. He tried blackmailing the family and criticizing them for cash. They tried to befriend ex presidents and superstars as equals but they all retracted fast. It went tits up due to lack of credibility, sincerity and original talent.

He is pissed off that his family accepted his departure and moved on and that the public was not so gullible. He is bitter that his plans for takeover as part of a a power couple (more popular that Kate and William) never worked. They have endlessly merched the family and titles and made money from it. However, they are frustrated because the power and credibility they were aiming for is now out of reach as it is priceless and not something he can bankroll with family wealth.

What does he give to people he dislikes? Two copies?

For Harry - I don't think anything will be clear with this court case till we get the judge's judgment and comments.

Well no, but based on his performance and his own admission that he couldn't remember things and snippily referring people to his book for his recollections rather than repeat them in court, I just don't see how he can win. As far as I could tell from various bits of coverage, he couldn't actually pinpoint one instance where information about himself had clearly been gleaned via phone hacking or other illegal means - and that was literally the basis of his case. So either his case was really weak and he should never have brought it to court, or he was just horribly ill-prepared and so didn't put his evidence across well.

I agree with you, @TrashyPanda - I genuinely don't see how bringing this case will stop "the hate" against Meghan? I'm confused about how the two issues are connected.

I think you're spot on, @Elior .

It was also telling how they thanked the British owner of the bike shop in Montecito who sent them bike for Archie. It was a letter from their chief-of-staff thanking the owner on behalf of the La-di-dah Titled Couple. His mother would probably have sent a handwritten note in the same situation. It is still all about feeling top tier, maintaining a separation from commoners, all underpinned by a massive amount of arrogance and no discernable talents.

if Meghan succeeds in becoming a wealthy influencer, a la Goopy or Martha Stewart, and can afford the security and lifestyle they need or want, maybe Harry can step back,

Step back from what? It’s his choice to put himself into these court cases - I don’t think they are for financial gain are they?

I do agree though that he would be happier building his self esteem by activities in the present and future - having a sense of purpose rather than settling old scores. I hope that once he is done with this he will recognize the toll this takes on his MH, relationship and friendships and look to be involved in more positive and constructive pursuits. I hope that he has some personal satisfaction that he had his day in court to challenge the dreadful tabloids - but I hope he can leave it behind whatever the outcome and focus on the here and now.

I do hope that he can build bridges with his family as it must be painful and isolating for him and his children.

IHRTFT but could some please post the evidence that Wiliam gave his hush money to charity ?

Invictus had an influx of money but that was because Harry broke away from the joint foundation.

Finally why on earth is it accepted as necessary that Willi keep his mouth shut about the media in order to be ‘king’???

If he’s such an asset and everyone loves him why does he need the toxic press on his side ?
Is it because they are sitting on stuff he doesn’t want the peasants to know ?
or the easily influenced need a steady stream of pro royal propaganda ?

I think, now that Harry is "free," he is conducting himself how he wanted the "institution" to allow him to but that those wiser than he is, advised him against. King Charles is reported to have told him that to attack the press was a suicide mission.
I think we're witnessing this coming to pass.

However, they are frustrated because the power and credibility they were aiming for is now out of reach

They were both supremely arrogant to think that their royal titles would be enough to propel them to global superstardom and influence. What talents do the pair of them really have? He's literally only famous for the family he was born into and has no discernible talents, and she was a D-list actress in a cable legal drama who few had heard of before she married a prince. They were superstars as members of the RF, but without it they don't have anything to offer that isn't already being offered by much more talented individuals who've got where they are through hard graft, not an accident of birth/marriage.

@TrashyPanda too, I think M was pulling the strings and influencing him for a long time but now she's not seemingly involved? He wants to make everything ok but there seems to be no friendly coaching going on (?) She's smart and will know what's ill advised and where his focus should be. We all agree media hacking is terrible.

Tampongate, remember that? I was struck by the care that Camilla took to coach through Charles on some talk he needed to give and this is far more important. It's also their brand etc.

Novella4 · Today 14:09
IHRTFT but could some please post the evidence that Wiliam gave his hush money to charity

I don’t know what he did with the settlement money, but calling it “hush” money is just goady. The courts would encourage most people to settle out of court as has been said many times on these threads

I can still see it. I just looked.

Was there a third thread? I only know of two and they are both full?

I’m surprised more wasn’t made of Harry saying “It’s in my book.” CRINGE !!!!!

Reports from people in court room on how he did seem to vary and though I though he presented next to no evidence I have seen some in press have concede he may get one or two points accepted.

The reporting given me the impression he did very poorly and seemed very confused in his evidence - but I wasn't in the room and some who were thought he did well or at least told bits of media this.

I don't like him or his conduct in last few years but I think objective reporting is even more absent than usual - as he's attacking the media more generally possible not that unexpected.

I do wonder what he actually thinks he going to achieve here that is worth the money and the mental strain.