Harry and his truth

[TrashyPanda]

Let’s try again folks!

the aftermath of Harry’s court appearance and what happens next

Even if it wasn't the royal family with a clear hierarchy, you can't marry into any family and then start making demands about how they should do things differently because you know best, without being ostracized

It's just the belief of a simpleton that you can personally demand systemic change

If you want to change a system you take people with you and it occurs gradually over time with mutual consent it's a good thing

Precisely

I'm the very first to agree that the RF urgently needs change (or, for me, preferably aboloshing altogether) and there's no good reason why Meghan couldn't have helped to introduce some of it - but not by going about things like this

And yes, jeffgoldblum, the "I've signed nothing / I can say whatever I choose" was indeed odd, and I'm not sure there's any other way to take it except "piss me off and just see what'll happen"
Which is more or less what's happened anyway ...

Abolishing, dammit!! Oh for an edit button ...

Alltheprettyseahorses · Today 13:26
It's a family and she is an equal member of it. That's her qualification.

This is the crux of it, it’s a family and an institution. Two very different things. The institution part is what’s under discussion.

(I’d argue that she isn’t an equal member of the family either, being married in. As both Sarah Ferguson and Diana found, once you cease through divorce to be part of the family you are really out in the cold.)

Maybe you should all start posting that on the MIL threads where the DIL is generally almost unanimously told what she says goes! But yes, they are equal. No family member should be above any other although it does provide an explanation why the Windsors are so dysfunctional.

No one knows how change was brought up. It could equally have been gently and persuasively, there isn't a shred of evidence to back up a prima donna Meghan outside your own prejudice. For all anyone knows, it could have been Harry who wanted things done differently. And they clearly should be done very, very differently as Kate and William's recent disastrous tours have shown.

I'll just point out that Duchy Originals has been going for decades and has sold such 'tasteful' delights as shampoo, baked beans(!), extremely overpriced garden tools and boxes of biscuits with a big picture Charles' face on them - no wonder it nearly went out of business at at least one point.

@maranella Do you actually think it's fair that H&M got security (1 million per year minimum), funding from his father to live (as W&K are) to live/housing etc, yet to live in Hollywood in a mansion, attend prestigious red carpet events, go on Netflix and Oprah to earn more money (not slagging off the RF though!) and leave William and kate to visit small charities in Reading on a wet November morning?

So H&M have a glamorous life half funded with your taxes and mine, but we get very little as they live overseas?

I know your views @Puzzledandpissedoff , I'm more for monarchy ( sort of , don't watch weddings or jubilee) .
But you never insult or disrespect other's views.
This is why I can't understand republicans getting behind h and m !
Like them or not they are part of the royal family, if they managed to bring it down they would have nothing, they wouldn't want this.
For or against the monarchy is part of U.K. history, our identity is entwined with it.
That's why myself and possibly others find all this behaviour unacceptable at worst humorously embarrassing at best .

I never knew that was indefinite. I suppose it was too tempting for somebody from a common background to want to take that money back to her home city.

According to Cecchi-Azzolina, Markle stood by silently while her handler demanded a private table, claiming it was "for someone who is dating a prince." At the time Markle was dating Prince Harry, who she would go on to marry a year later.
"Are you aware my guest is dating Prince Harry and about to be a duchess?" Cecchi-Azzolina wrote in reference to the unnamed staffer. "Don't you have a private area for us to wait?"

I’m a bit sceptical about this story, @Elior though I’m sure you posted it in good faith. They didn’t receive their titles till the morning of the wedding in May 2018 so I doubt their handler would have known a full year in advance that one was in the offing. I’d also expect an American to assume the title would be Princess, not Duchess.

Someone really didn’t like them though!

@Ohpleeeease It doesn't sound like he warmed to her! However, there was a different story regarding the staff bullying when she was apparently telling staff to do as she ordered (three months into the relationship) as she was going to be marrying him soon and she would be in charge of them. They sort of tally with one another.

What’s wrong with Reading??!

When H and M became engaged I think there were articles in British newspapers, gushing over them, and saying that she was a breath of fresh air and they would drag the stuffy old monarchy into the 21st century. If they believed that about themselves I'm not surprised.

(I thought Fergie was the one who was lying topless in the sun, having her toes sucked, not the other way round. Prince Philip gets it in the neck from some people for not adoring her after that but what father-in-law would be delighted to find his DIL in a position like that in the local paper, let alone the nationals, when she was lying in one of the guest bedrooms that morning? Slight detour but she was mentioned a page or two ago.)

Im confused about what your thread is about @TrashyPanda as you asked us to keep to the topic and this thread wasn't about Meghan according to some who are now back to talking about Meghan.
the aftermath of Harry’s court appearance and what happens next

I don't want to be accused of derailing or goading so what does this mean? Is it about the court case or just all things Harry,Meghan, Diana etc?

For all anyone knows, it could have been Harry who wanted things done differently

That's perfectly true, but unfortunately in that family it's always the "outsiders" who get the blame - and most of all if they happen to be women

This is why many of us avoid blaming Meghan for every last thing, and even if something really has been her suggestion presumably Harry's capable of saying no

So what happens next?

I would think if there is another book or documentary etc we really all have to see this is just all they have to offer and can't seriously be expecting to reunited with his family, altruistic etc

Alternatively, they could relaunch the wellness website and sell merch on that and be influencers (why not, plenty of people do), do more programmes that they produce or do voice overs for (not about royalty), ditto books etc

I think sadly we could see a time when both fathers will become very elderly/deceased and then I think the real moving away from the same bun fights with the families will begin. Without Thomas the siblings have less merit I think and without Charles, unless a reconciliation can be achieved, I can see William just letting Harry go to a larger extent

I don't know about wellness. They don't come across as suitable health and wellness ambassadors by Californian standards.

Oh I don't know she was doing well before and that was without a royal title and greater platform they now have

I can see Harry talking about fitness as well

Its was said while I was chatting earlier, several times, that we were to get back to the topic and not discuss Meghan, when I was discussing her. So as I have been accused several times and had posters tell other posters not to engage because I'm derailing, I want to ask the OP to clarify what is actually a rather unclear OP on what the threads meant to be about to avoid being accused of this again. Why don't you just not concern yourself, I was asking the Op, not you.

Iwantcakeeveryday - the op has said already

However she can't control other posters and to be fair to look forward (what's next) can require some looking back

Surely as long as people are civil to each other the thread can bumble along and take the odd meandering diversion? I don’t see that as the same as deliberate detailing, which of course is not allowed.

Or even derailing. Detailing is quite another thing…

@Ohpleeeease 🤣 , I quite like the sound of obvious detailing!
Sounds specific and factual.

It isn't obligatory to bite, Stalkedbyzombies, and many of these threads have stayed reasonably even tempered because people have resisted exactly that

If you feel there's a problem in the way anyone's posting, HQ encourage us to take it up with them for a decision rather than posting it on here

I agree @Ohpleeeease but talking about his wife is hardly derailing when others do it and yet several comments were made earlier, so its hard to know if people will report me for it even if that's what is being discussed by others

Or even deliberate! 🤣 I'm doing now !