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Harry and his truth

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TrashyPanda · 10/06/2023 11:36

Let’s try again folks!

the aftermath of Harry’s court appearance and what happens next

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polkadotdalmation · 11/06/2023 11:07

@tigger2022 Yes, I agree better not to discuss it as it looks like it's becoming the usual ping pong game 😉

ArcaneWireless · 11/06/2023 11:08

This is my bother with it polkadotdalmation

I’ve no doubt there was murky doings in his vicinity.

But there must be some instance that can be shown to be clarty.

maranella · 11/06/2023 11:08

Very good points made about Harry's own emotionally deprived upbringing at the hands of two people who were both physically and emotionally unavailable to him and how he's re-enacting that trauma as an adult. Because what has surprised me, as a parent, is how much of parenting is just about being physically present, providing continuity, stability and emotional support merely by being there day after day for my DC.

I had a parent who left and who was very emotionally distant thereafter and I hadn't realised how much that impacted on me until I became a parent myself. I, like William, was less affected than my younger sibling, who has had tremendous issues as an adult with emotional attachments, because she feels so insecure and is, as a result, really needy, but I was nevertheless affected. I think some people wear their trauma much more obviously than others. And I think, as another poster said, that William (and Kate) both learned how to behave and do their roles effectively, while retaining their private selves, by observing the Queen and doing what she did. William said recently how Kate spent a lot of time learning from the Queen and you can see it now as she's growing into her role as PofW.

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Iwantcakeeveryday · 11/06/2023 11:13

You're right @StrawberryWasp there is no consequence free choice for either of them, or many other dysfunctional families and both men had different paths in the institution anyway.
Harry has removed his children from the family and the royal demands, but he has isolated them, and made his sold his life as a commodity to do so, and is publicly fighting with the world. Which will undoubtedly impact on the children depending on their personalities.
Well isolated from his family, not an easy choice for anyone but one which millions make. It doesn't mean he doesn't have other people in their life that fill that void. I didn't;t grow up with a big family, but my parents had friends that became ours and their kids are like cousins to me. Its not uncommon. The royal family has also sold their life as a commodity, literally, they are the best example of this.

StrawberryWasp · 11/06/2023 11:16

The royal family has also sold their life as a commodity, literally, they are the best example of this.

No they haven't. They perform public duties and maintain a private life.

The public are interested in their private life so the press print stories to meet public demand. They aren't selling their private lives for money.

polkadotdalmation · 11/06/2023 11:17

@tigger2022 I'm involved in a civil case at the moment and our solicitor said to win we just need 51% in court. So surely there has to be some evidence? Similar fact is very convincing but Harry's life is under a lot of scrutiny so their argument is there were legitimate avenues to gain information, is a fair point. I don't understand how there was evidence form BT for William and kate's phones but not for Harry. He says the evidence could,have been destroyed, but could newspapers really delete or conspire to delete phone records??

I think Harry's (along with all the royals) life was horribly impacted by press intrusion, and I completely agree it was destroying his mental health. I think he did the right thing to get out of the toxic environment, but it is his actions since leaving that I personally find vile.

Peverellshire · 11/06/2023 11:22

It seems odd to me M wasn’t physically there or seemingly supporting/advising? Altho’ perhaps, of course, she was?

Is she behind ‘all this’ & does she agree with what H is doing?

ArcaneWireless · 11/06/2023 11:23

According to the Observer there’s a legal precedent that actually sets the bar for claiming damages for hacking fairly low, so they think the judge actually might be convinced by the argument that because other hacking has been proven, Harry can be assumed to as well.

So what is to stop anyone bringing a case saying they were hacked, someone followed them about, or private details appeared in the press? When in reality they weren’t, they encountered someone in the street who was nipping to their mate’s house to watch a football match or some gobshite mate told a few tales in the pub?

I’m not sure an assumption ‘that it happened to others’ should be enough for a judge to find in favour.

I feel for anyone under that level of intrusion. But just because you believe something to be true isn’t enough.

polkadotdalmation · 11/06/2023 11:24

The royal family has also sold their life as a commodity, literally, they are the best example of this

The only people who have sold their life story is Meghan and Harry. £100 million plus and counting.

StrawberryWasp · 11/06/2023 11:25

Does anyone know how long it was since Harry had seen his mother before she died?

Being on holiday with your dad & his girlfriend while knowing your mum is on holiday with her latest lover, is a shit situation for any child.
It is just not what children want or need, but they have to accept it as the adults are meeting their own needs, and kids have no control.

Also hadn't Diana taken them on holiday with Dodi? Taking your kids away with your very new latest boyfriend is the kind of thing that would get you crucified on Mumsnet. It doesn't make any difference if it was a yacht or a caravan in Skegness, it's a shit thing to do to your kids.

She wasn't making decisions that were for the boys, they were for her.

And then she suddenly died.

It's not surprising Harry thinks about her while rubbing cream on his dick and then tells the world about it.
It's all messed up, and being enacted as a tragedy for consumption. Harry is just continuing it.

TrashyPanda · 11/06/2023 11:26

Elior · 11/06/2023 11:06

Would William have the right to remove the titles against Harry's will once he becomes king?

Harry can request to give up his titles and the monarch could grant a Royal Warrant agreeing to this.

King George V agreed to his cousin Princess Patricia of Connaught relinquishing her titles on the occasion of her marriage. She was a very interesting lady

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polkadotdalmation · 11/06/2023 11:26

Peverellshire · 11/06/2023 11:22

It seems odd to me M wasn’t physically there or seemingly supporting/advising? Altho’ perhaps, of course, she was?

Is she behind ‘all this’ & does she agree with what H is doing?

Harry said in court he was doing this to counteract the hate he and Meghan had received, so whether that means she is in favour of it or not I don't know. They are both very litigious though, so it's likely. The barrister asked him the question (which is quite a normal one) why are you bringing this case?

jeffgoldblum · 11/06/2023 11:26

There surely must be some proof somewhere?
After all these years , there must be!
And as @ArcaneWireless says we can't prosecute people just because someone thinks something is true, that really would make a mockery of the law.

TrashyPanda · 11/06/2023 11:27

jeffgoldblum · 11/06/2023 11:05

He'd have to give them up! , interestingly m would keep hers as she is already American and married in!

That is interesting!

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Peverellshire · 11/06/2023 11:27

polkadotdalmation · 11/06/2023 11:17

@tigger2022 I'm involved in a civil case at the moment and our solicitor said to win we just need 51% in court. So surely there has to be some evidence? Similar fact is very convincing but Harry's life is under a lot of scrutiny so their argument is there were legitimate avenues to gain information, is a fair point. I don't understand how there was evidence form BT for William and kate's phones but not for Harry. He says the evidence could,have been destroyed, but could newspapers really delete or conspire to delete phone records??

I think Harry's (along with all the royals) life was horribly impacted by press intrusion, and I completely agree it was destroying his mental health. I think he did the right thing to get out of the toxic environment, but it is his actions since leaving that I personally find vile.

Re: actions since, IMO, money the driver, what to do? He/they want/s to belong to the upper, monied set & didn’t have the cash to lead their best life.

It feels too much like Jay Gatsby and Daisy B at times, although, poss, he’s more like Tom? But the crazy love, ‘he loves her too much’, said the Queen, feels Jay G.

polkadotdalmation · 11/06/2023 11:27

@StrawberryWasp Yes, the whole thing is a complete mess. I can't imagine how it will all end ☹️

jeffgoldblum · 11/06/2023 11:28

I thought so too @TrashyPanda !

Peverellshire · 11/06/2023 11:29

polkadotdalmation · 11/06/2023 11:26

Harry said in court he was doing this to counteract the hate he and Meghan had received, so whether that means she is in favour of it or not I don't know. They are both very litigious though, so it's likely. The barrister asked him the question (which is quite a normal one) why are you bringing this case?

She’s smart & could have added real value re: strategy & emotional support of being there. Pretty harrowing & stressful I’d imagine…

jeffgoldblum · 11/06/2023 11:32

On that subject, does anyone know if it's the same with Canada ?
If Harry took Canadian or any other countries citizenship would he have to give up titles?
Are Canadians allowed to live in the US?
Just pondering 🤔

StrawberryWasp · 11/06/2023 11:32

Peverellshire · 11/06/2023 11:29

She’s smart & could have added real value re: strategy & emotional support of being there. Pretty harrowing & stressful I’d imagine…

They do have small children though so not surprising they wouldn't both travel overseas at the same time.

I'm sure they were debriefing in the evenings.

TrashyPanda · 11/06/2023 11:33

The royal family has also sold their life as a commodity, literally, they are the best example of this

no, that would be Harry and Meghan. If the price is right, there they are.

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polkadotdalmation · 11/06/2023 11:33

@Peverellshire I think Harry believed he was making a bid for freedom to live a peaceful, private life, preferably in Africa, where he could work with his charities, but Meghan wanted a life In Hollywood as an A lister, and had done since she was a child. Massive clash of needs and wants!

They clearly believed they would have whatever they chose funded by the UK public with their half in half out option. I think the shock of being refused this deal was what prompted the attacks and hatred of the RF and their concerted efforts to destroy it. Bit like the abusive man who kills his wife...if I can't have you no one will.

Elior · 11/06/2023 11:33

The ultimate purpose of his lawsuits is still pretty unclear. Is he punishing his family for being born second or attacking British institutions for not taking to his wife? Is he angry that his dramatic exposé did not shake up the monarchy as he had hoped and his brother and Kate still retain much support?

What will closure look like or is that precisely the position he doesn't want to reach to avoid fading into obscurity? He needs to accept his own shortcomings and past mistakes and stop exclusively judging others so harshly.

Peverellshire · 11/06/2023 11:34

StrawberryWasp · 11/06/2023 11:32

They do have small children though so not surprising they wouldn't both travel overseas at the same time.

I'm sure they were debriefing in the evenings.

I hope so, perhaps. Has he been vocal on her behalf re. similar & offered public support?

jeffgoldblum · 11/06/2023 11:34

Elior · 11/06/2023 11:33

The ultimate purpose of his lawsuits is still pretty unclear. Is he punishing his family for being born second or attacking British institutions for not taking to his wife? Is he angry that his dramatic exposé did not shake up the monarchy as he had hoped and his brother and Kate still retain much support?

What will closure look like or is that precisely the position he doesn't want to reach to avoid fading into obscurity? He needs to accept his own shortcomings and past mistakes and stop exclusively judging others so harshly.

This really is the ultimate question!