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Harry and his truth

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TrashyPanda · 10/06/2023 11:36

Let’s try again folks!

the aftermath of Harry’s court appearance and what happens next

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skullbabe · 11/06/2023 09:23

jeffgoldblum · 11/06/2023 08:58

Not to be rude, but why do we need m being brought into a thread about Harry?
Do we really need it ?
Is it so people can bring up racism?

My god.

I think you’ll find that M was brought into the thread to say that her experiences of harassment were far less than other women of the RF.

ArcaneWireless · 11/06/2023 09:23

But aye. Sorry.

Back to Harry.

Howsimplywonderful · 11/06/2023 09:23

@ArcaneWireless

Thats the bit I don’t understand. Why would you thank someone for selling you a bike. Surely the money is thanks enough !

they didn’t even sign the thank you note themselves and it ends up all over the press. Smacks of a PR push

ArcaneWireless · 11/06/2023 09:28

Smacks of a PR push

Just a touch.

notsayingmuch · 11/06/2023 09:31

Howsimplywonderful · 11/06/2023 09:23

@ArcaneWireless

Thats the bit I don’t understand. Why would you thank someone for selling you a bike. Surely the money is thanks enough !

they didn’t even sign the thank you note themselves and it ends up all over the press. Smacks of a PR push

They didn't pay for the bike. The article acts as an advertisement for the shop and also for the couple - to let other firms know that they are willing to accept freebies for publicity.

jeffgoldblum · 11/06/2023 09:35

I don't discuss m, I have no interest in discussing m , I certainly don't wish to discuss m on a thread about Harry!
Others can do as they wish, I have no interest in getting into discussions about racism.

jeffgoldblum · 11/06/2023 09:36

Sorry @TrashyPanda , back on point now!

StrawberryWasp · 11/06/2023 09:37

Diana was obviously focused on getting her own emotional needs met through romantic attachments rather than focusing on the needs of her children.

She obviously loved her children, and the fact she was physically affectionate is used to suggest that she was emotionally attentive and put the children first. But the fact she was engaged in multiple ongoing romantic attachments would suggest that wasn't true.

Children need more than occasional cuddles.

It's not surprising at all, given she was an emotionally neglected child & married a man who didn't love her at such a young age, that she'd be drawn into focusing on her own emotional and attachment needs through intense romantic attachments.

This was the reality of Harry and William's childhoods before she died. Two parents who yes loved them, but they were not the primary focus for either of them.

Harry will have had a try to make sense of this. A mother who wasn't available, who then suddenly dies and is portrayed to you via the public outpouring as an iconic angel.

That is going to screw up any young boy.

How do you separate yourself from the reality of your parent as a flawed human? This is a process most of us have to go through.

Adolescence is often a time of anger towards parents in the realisation of their flawed nature and how it affected you.

Young adult hood often an emotional detachment time as you feel separated from them in the paths you are choosing which are different and in your opinion superior.

Adulthood is usually when you start to be able to accept parents are just people, they were flawed as are you, your experiences as a child may not have been ideal, but you are now responsible for yourself which includes how forgiving you choose to be.

Harry hasn't been able to do any of this. He's stuck in the emotional developmental stage of a 12 year old who's perfect mother isn't there to look after him against the rest of the horrid world.

He's a little boy fighting dragons.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 11/06/2023 09:46

Brilliant explanattion @StrawberryWasp There must also have been a lot of confusion over the way the public claimed Diana as their 'People's Princess' when to him and William Diana belonged to them - almost as if they're being pushed aside so the public could grieve - thinking of the way they were hauled back from Scotland to go and shake hands and thank people. They must have been wondering where was their right to mourn her in all this.

Howsimplywonderful · 11/06/2023 09:48

How strongly will US Homeland security fight the visa issue in the court case

i don’t know if they care about Harry or the legal precedent it would set.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 11/06/2023 10:05

So we can't talk about his wife but we can talk about his Mum? and posters can also announce that they won't be talking about racism, but others shouldn't;t raise racism in the first place? Ok. this is about Harrys court cases AND someone else's court case with US homeland security about harry? Pretty sure the bike gift was already raised before me, that's why I posted the article.....

GloriousD · 11/06/2023 10:05

StrawberryWasp · 11/06/2023 09:37

Diana was obviously focused on getting her own emotional needs met through romantic attachments rather than focusing on the needs of her children.

She obviously loved her children, and the fact she was physically affectionate is used to suggest that she was emotionally attentive and put the children first. But the fact she was engaged in multiple ongoing romantic attachments would suggest that wasn't true.

Children need more than occasional cuddles.

It's not surprising at all, given she was an emotionally neglected child & married a man who didn't love her at such a young age, that she'd be drawn into focusing on her own emotional and attachment needs through intense romantic attachments.

This was the reality of Harry and William's childhoods before she died. Two parents who yes loved them, but they were not the primary focus for either of them.

Harry will have had a try to make sense of this. A mother who wasn't available, who then suddenly dies and is portrayed to you via the public outpouring as an iconic angel.

That is going to screw up any young boy.

How do you separate yourself from the reality of your parent as a flawed human? This is a process most of us have to go through.

Adolescence is often a time of anger towards parents in the realisation of their flawed nature and how it affected you.

Young adult hood often an emotional detachment time as you feel separated from them in the paths you are choosing which are different and in your opinion superior.

Adulthood is usually when you start to be able to accept parents are just people, they were flawed as are you, your experiences as a child may not have been ideal, but you are now responsible for yourself which includes how forgiving you choose to be.

Harry hasn't been able to do any of this. He's stuck in the emotional developmental stage of a 12 year old who's perfect mother isn't there to look after him against the rest of the horrid world.

He's a little boy fighting dragons.

100% agree with this.

He had a very fragile emotional base from the start with both of his parents (who themselves both had poor emotional upbringings) as they were focused on their toxic relationship and then at the same time indulging themselves in affairs - therefore not available to support the early emotional development of their sons. Then they were sent off to boarding school and just didn’t have the emotional investment and resilience to shoulder the tragedy.

TrashyPanda · 11/06/2023 10:06

It’s such a shame Harry was sent to boarding school.

I don’t think that was a positive thing for him. He was a child who carved attention and was sent away from home to be one of a crowd of young kids, all missing their parents.

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willWillSmithsmith · 11/06/2023 10:07

Howsimplywonderful · 11/06/2023 09:23

@ArcaneWireless

Thats the bit I don’t understand. Why would you thank someone for selling you a bike. Surely the money is thanks enough !

they didn’t even sign the thank you note themselves and it ends up all over the press. Smacks of a PR push

Maybe we should all start writing thank you letters to the supermarket after our shop, or the utility companies after we’ve paid our bills, as that makes as much sense as a bike shop expecting thank you letters from paying customers. Though apparently it now seems they didn’t give the Montecito Muppets a free bike for their child so it’s all a bit odd. It’s become very predictable than anything involving the them ends up feeling disingenuous or shady or just confusing. Their convoluted, chaotic lives would do my head in.

TrashyPanda · 11/06/2023 10:09

Iwantcakeeveryday · 11/06/2023 10:05

So we can't talk about his wife but we can talk about his Mum? and posters can also announce that they won't be talking about racism, but others shouldn't;t raise racism in the first place? Ok. this is about Harrys court cases AND someone else's court case with US homeland security about harry? Pretty sure the bike gift was already raised before me, that's why I posted the article.....

Other threads have been deleted for various reasons.

that is why on this thread we are trying to be respectful and stay on topic. Because we want to be able to have these discussion in a pleasant atmosphere.

obviously, people do go off tangents, but that is human nature! Hence the “friendly reminders”

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Iwantcakeeveryday · 11/06/2023 10:11

TrashyPanda · 11/06/2023 10:09

Other threads have been deleted for various reasons.

that is why on this thread we are trying to be respectful and stay on topic. Because we want to be able to have these discussion in a pleasant atmosphere.

obviously, people do go off tangents, but that is human nature! Hence the “friendly reminders”

That's fair enough, as I say though, it has been about various people connected to Harry so I was wondering why specifically we are told not to talk about Meghan or racism. I noticed you made several comments about Diana's alleged affairs yourself and that conversation went on for a bit. I do understand your wish to keep on topic but I think you more than anyone should be doing that yourself.

StrawberryWasp · 11/06/2023 10:15

GloriousD · 11/06/2023 10:05

100% agree with this.

He had a very fragile emotional base from the start with both of his parents (who themselves both had poor emotional upbringings) as they were focused on their toxic relationship and then at the same time indulging themselves in affairs - therefore not available to support the early emotional development of their sons. Then they were sent off to boarding school and just didn’t have the emotional investment and resilience to shoulder the tragedy.

Yes the childhood of both of his parents impacted on their parenting and his childhood.

Just as his childhood is impacting on his children's.

He believes he's addressing all the past injustice and being the parent he didn't have.

In fact he's just enacting the trauma on his children in a different way: family feuding, cutting them off, public battles, selling his life.
These will all impact his own children.

It's a modern day fallacy parents have that all past family trauma stops with them. As if we've finally reached a stage of human evolution where we eradicate the past. It's unbelievably arrogant.

Give it 30 years and this generation of children will be along to tell us how we've fucked them up.

Harry's included

Stalkedbyzombies · 11/06/2023 10:15

Maybe start your own thread to attract posters who want to discuss what interests you?

TrashyPanda · 11/06/2023 10:17

I’ve never said I do not go off at tangents - of course I do - I’m a human like everyone else on here!

all I am trying to do is to use my experience of when threads have got deleted and to try to encourage people so we can all go on talking about things that interest us.

I hope that helps

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jeffgoldblum · 11/06/2023 10:18

Seems entirely reasonable @TrashyPanda 😀

TrashyPanda · 11/06/2023 10:19

@StrawberryWasp - very pertinent points.

made me think of this

This Be The Verse
BY PHILIP LARKIN

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.

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GloriousD · 11/06/2023 10:22

StrawberryWasp · 11/06/2023 10:15

Yes the childhood of both of his parents impacted on their parenting and his childhood.

Just as his childhood is impacting on his children's.

He believes he's addressing all the past injustice and being the parent he didn't have.

In fact he's just enacting the trauma on his children in a different way: family feuding, cutting them off, public battles, selling his life.
These will all impact his own children.

It's a modern day fallacy parents have that all past family trauma stops with them. As if we've finally reached a stage of human evolution where we eradicate the past. It's unbelievably arrogant.

Give it 30 years and this generation of children will be along to tell us how we've fucked them up.

Harry's included

I agree.

Also one of the few foundations W&H had was extended family and cousins which allowed safe trusting emotional relationships in their childhood which have strong bonds carrying on into adulthood.

M&H have denied their own DC this opportunity.

TrashyPanda · 11/06/2023 10:25

Harry does seem to be on good terms with Eugenie and her family.

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GloriousD · 11/06/2023 10:26

TrashyPanda · 11/06/2023 10:25

Harry does seem to be on good terms with Eugenie and her family.

That’s true - I hope their DC can have an experience of cousins