Harry and his truth

[TrashyPanda]

Let’s try again folks!

the aftermath of Harry’s court appearance and what happens next

Yes, to culture clas. Meghan talking about hugging Kate and William on first meeting and saying “I’m a hugger”

well, that’s absolutely fine. But not everyone is okay with that. Not just royals. Not just Brits. Be polite and respectful, read their body language and don’t invade their personal space.

Agree the cultural clash was from Meghan's confidence and somewhat contrived persona coming across as grandiose and manipulative in the context of being Royal.
Eg the trailer to their series..'When the stakes are this high, wouldn't you rather hear the story from us?'. No the stakes weren't high to anyone except Harry and Meghan and their precious egos.

You’d think it was world peace or something.

And I’d rather hear from a reliable narrator, thank you very much.

"Meghan has had a much harder time than Kate. I, personally believe, strongly, that the reason for that is that Meghan is not white. Now I understand that view s not shared here on mumsnet. But that is my view. I am not looking to debate that. It is my opin"

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, I absolutely don't agree with it.

Meghan had a hard time, but not IMO harder than Kate. Kate was physically followed and surrounded by paparazzi when trying to just live her life. They would swear at her and insult her to try to get a reaction shot. This went on for years. Her phone was hacked 155 times.

Sarah Ferguson had it worse than anyone frankly.

Sarah Ferguson had it worse than anyone frankly.

She wasn't exactly innocent in all that.

I can no longer look at a jar of Elizabeth Arden moisturiser thanks to Harry.

Minimising, or denying the racism that Meghan experienced from the tabloids and it’s journalists, and some members of the public, is not helpful. Indeed it is very hurtful for some.

It’s hurtful to people on here. It’s hurtful to people in our lives. It’s hurtful to society in general.

No one is denying that all the woman who married into the RF have experienced dreadful invasions of privacy and shaming by tabloid journalists/media. They have experienced such. And it’s terrible. I’m a woman and I recognise it for what it is. It’s vile.

So why deny, or minimise, the racism experienced by Meghan? Why say it was worse for others than Meghan? It is not a competition. It all happened/happens - racism included. And it’s terrible. I am white so I don’t experience racism, but it doesn’t mean it’s not happening to Meghan. I can see it (at least some of it. I don’t believe I see it all as yet).

People have been sent to prison for being racist in regard to Harry and Meghan. That’s a fact. It’s also fact a that British tabloids have printed racist articles about Meghan. It’s a fact that racism proliferates on social media. And on the street, and in the stores, and is built in to our institutions.

I also think there was a culture clash. But I don’t see it as being huge. Because of movies, tv, global media we understand more about many other countries than we used to. Cultural clashes still exist but in countries like US and UK it’s not as extreme as it used to be. Still a thing, but not the thing it used to be. I do think the ‘hit the ground running confidence’ bothered a lot of people, by what has been said on here.

If it’s the culture of Royalty clashing with the American lack of knowledge about how royalty works then yeah, absolutely more reason for a possible clash. But the RF has been known for just throwing their married in partners into the mix. No gradual introductions. I think the Queen might have wisened up in this regard if she did indeed say H&M should take time out to get to know each other. I think that worked for W&K. But wanting babies would have meant Meghan could not delay because of her age.

I don’t think Sarah ‘had it worse’ but in those early years of her marriage the tabloids were very cruel. The ‘Duchess of Pork.’ ‘Thunder thighs’ etc. very cruel to do to anyone. Especially a woman, and especially in her childbearing years.

Later on, yes she did some pretty seemingly dodgy things.

I quite like her. And she dud have an awful time constantly being compared in the negative to Diana. Horrible things were said about her.
But she made a litany of poor decisions from even before her marriage ended. It seems like she's popular within the family and she and Andrew certainly co-parented their children well. I wish her the best. But she really was responsible for her own bad publicity. (And at least no one took naked pictures of her.)

Apples and oranges. Sarah Ferguson had an awful time with the endless cruel comments, Diana was relentlessly pursued wherever she went. Meghan has had far more to deal with from social media, which is brutal, but she was never doorstepped like all the others, including Kate, who also had to deal with her family being ridiculed.

None of them deserved the level of scrutiny they got, none of them would have got it if they had been men.

There was an article in the Observer today that said there is some legal precedent that sets the bar for proving phone hacking quite low - so PH’a argument that other people were hacked so he must have been hacked might actually persuade the judge

Does anyone doubt he wasn’t?

And at least no one took naked pictures of her

in the infamous “toe sucking” photos she was topless.

again, she was on private property.

again - press intrusion.

I am white so I don’t experience racism

white people experience racism too.

I’ve been spat on. And had racist remarks thrown at me. If someone is targeted and abused because of their racial background - that is racism. Generalplan Ost was racist, pure and simple and nobody can argue otherwise.

And anti semitism is just another name for a specific form of racism

Best post I have read for a very long time. Everything I am thinking, and at times struggle, to get out right. Thank you.

I wonder if anyone has sat Harry down and said listen this is how it works

if you want privacy then don’t feed the fire ( get on with your life quietly and privately with your wife and kids )
if you want the press all over you then crack on as you are
it is not a tap that you can turn on and off as you choose and just remember no one likes hypocrisy

@billysboy - I’m sure multiple people have said this multiple times.
because it is a fact. And the inate hypocrisy is responsible in no small way for their dropping popularity

for many, this was summed up perfectly in the claim of “near catastrophe” - a public statement that greatly exaggerated the result of their decision to drive around in circles, rather than go straight to their destination.

So I suppose the question is if M was white, would people view her differently? I actually think she’d be judged a lot more harshly. Just think about it. If H had married Chelsey and she’d behaved as M has, what would your view be? Chelsey on Oprah, Chelsey dissing the RF publicly, Chelsey deciding to go back to SAfrica after barely two years ‘in the job’ because she didn’t get the special treatment she thought she deserved. Chelsey complaining that Kate didn’t make enough effort, or taking offence that there is a hierarchy in the RF. C lecturing the world about truth and kindness but not introducing H to her father before the wedding. She’d have been crucified. Ditto Kate.

I don’t think Harry listens to advice from anyone but Meghan . He was getting visibly prickly in the interview with Bradby when asked gentle questions that weren’t just sycophantic flattery. He comes across as arrogant these days.

As its been mentioned, the bike shop owners who gifted Archie a bike have spoken out about all the awful hate they received. They often give books away and they're going to give more away now to those in need after criticism but this is what the owner had to say:

But Jennifer also shared the heartache she has faced the last 48 hours, after internet trolls bombarded their social media pages with hate.
"This has woken me up to understanding the pain they must have felt," said Jennifer.
"I've never really felt a lot of empathy for anybody that I consider privileged or very wealthy or very famous – you've been blessed and this is part of the trade off – but I have a completely different perspective on that now."
I feel so much empathy for people, particularly in these positions where there's such an extreme love or hate for them," she continued.
"I feel everything that comes at me, positive and negative, and I try to live a very positive life and I feel so much of this toxic stuff on such a deep level and I feel so bad now for anyone in any role, no one deserves that kind of treatment."

We really do live in a. toxic world at the moment where people behind anonymous accounts think they can just spew hate at people, in this case because they gave a bike to a little boy

https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/495142/prince-archies-birthday-gift-inspires-sweet-act-of-kindness-exclusive/

o I suppose the question is if M was white, would people view her differently? I actually think she’d be judged a lot more harshly.

Do you ever think when you write things like this of the people of colour on the board and how they might be affected by your minimisation of racism?

f you want privacy then don’t feed the fire ( get on with your life quietly and privately with your wife and kids )
if you want the press all over you then crack on as you are
it is not a tap that you can turn on and off as you choose and just remember no one likes hypocrisy

I do not think that keeping quiet about injustice and illegal behaviour of press is a noble trait, many people think he's brave. The implication is t keep quiet and then it won't get worse. How do you blame a child for the intrusions on his privacy? because this has happened to him all his life. He also spent a year keeping quiet, both of them hardly seen, and it didn't;t stop, in fact it was relentless, and MN was really bad in 2020 about them too. This is such a demonstrably false narrative.

seems more than a little strange to publicise a gift to a very privileged child who is personally unknown to the donors.

so that's what you want to comment on, not the social media hate? ok. kids with rich parents shouldn't get gifts.