Harry and his truth

[TrashyPanda]

Let’s try again folks!

the aftermath of Harry’s court appearance and what happens next

Yes, didn't the late queen and prince philip want to keep the boys in peace in Blmoral? it was public pressure that meant they were brought to London yo perform

Yes, you’re correct, the boys went with them, didn’t they? And the public demanded to see them so they went walk about. I had forgotten that happened. And yes, they didn’t want the boys anywhere near what was going on in London. But they were forced to before things turned violent. We were at the brink of civil war.

C&D separation was announced in 1992 when Harry was 8.

Clearly the marriage was on the rocks before - so difficult times.

It seems tough that he was sent away to boarding school at that sensitive time and that tender age.

It can’t have helped his emotional development - really I can’t see any reason why a child should board to support logistics especially in this vulnerable position.

I would have thought Diana as nursery nurse would have been more attuned and educated on child development.

We were at the brink of civil war.

Do you have a link for that fact?

Why didn’t he discuss ‘strategy’ with M? ...

Why would he do that? I could understand her helping with presentation and public speaking, but AFAIK she doesn't have legal expertise (despite Twitter insistence that Suits was a real law firm )

Excellent point raised as to whether or not William really did settle out of court though. I honestly thought this was a fact, but if discussion of it's disallowed who knows what might have happened?

We were not at the brink of civil war. That's hyperbole.
There was anti royal stirring from the tabloids who had decided to martyr Diana.

Diana wasn't a trained nursery nurse. She helped out at a kindergarten.
She was aristocratic to her fingertips and nannies then boarding was the norm. William and Harry had a nursery floor in KP, so not always with their parents even at home.

If they had a nursery on a different floor, it doesn't mean they weren't with their parents. It wasn't like they were at the other end of the palace.

No, you're right. They could have been absolutely great hands on parents. They could easily go up the stairs or get nanny to bring them down. Contemporary film actually shows Charles and Diana to be affectionate and caring parents.

@Mummyoflittledragon im so very sorry for your loss.

I remember Prince Philips comment too. And totally agreed with him. It was a time when people demanded QEII come to London, “to be with her people” and that pissed off a lot of Scots! As if Scotland was an alien land, rathe4 than Balmoral being a beloved and secluded family home where the boys could grieve in peace away from prying eyes and in beautiful countryside.

of course Philip knew what it was like to “lose” a parent at a young age and could relate to his grandchildren more than most.

I meant civil unrest. Brain fog.

Contemporary film actually shows Charles and Diana to be affectionate and caring parents.

Who were at each others throats, shagging around preoccupied with their own sex lives and packed their 8 year olds off to boarding school? Sounds bleak - not caring IMHO.

Also would have been especially difficult for both boys to be separated especially when Harry was just 6 and William sent away to school.

Heartbreaking really.

No risk of civil unrest.
A few concerns that the royals would be booed. I used to walk past KP regularly, and I saw masses of flowers and tributes, loads of people, but hardly any police and no trouble.
In the event, the royals weren't booed and it all pretty much carried on as usual.
I'll never forget the smell of all those flowers, though.

Diana had no training and wasn’t a nursery nurse. She helped out on a part time basis. And was also cleaning her sisters flat at the same time.

You're right, @TrashyPanda . She was basically waiting to get married.

It is a false memory of Diana to remember her as being a rebellious trailblazer who was determined to shake everything up. She was only marginally less staid and stuffy than all of the royals and probably because she was of the next generation down or more and the princess experience had soured and she was making the best of the unusual situation which she found herself in..

Her values differed mainly to the extent that she had a big heart which she wore on her sleeve so she was keen to express physical affection like hugging commoners and introduce personal touches like handwritten letters. Apart from all of that, she was evidently fine with nannies and other staff and fine with her boys to follow royal protocols and attending boarding school.

Civil unrest I agree with. The tabloid media were whipping up a storm with their headlines, and the Queen was in the eye of it. People were as daft then as they are now, believing everything the papers told them. We see a lot more of royals speaking for themselves these days, so if their “truth” isn’t heard it’s not for want of opportunity.

immediately prior to Diana’s death, she was playing up to the press on her holidays with Dodi Al Fayed, both with and without the boys. Posing for pictures on the diving board etc and there was a lot of criticism. She was not the saint or “the peoples princess” she was later portrayed as.

in fact, the early editions of the papers on the day she died (before the news broke) were not complimentary.

Well, I very much disagree that there was any chance of civil unrest. Just some high emotions on display which was unusual for the time. It all settled down quite rapidly though.

Harry has done his mother's memory a great disservice by conflating it with the experience of his wife who was/is unable/unwilling to follow protocol, nurture family ties and connect with the poor and needy when the cameras are off.

You're right, @TrashyPanda - that summer she was portrayed as a bad mother - she never saw her sons all summer and was pictured with her boyfriend on his yacht. She was heavily criticised.
Very good points, @Elior - Diana was very much of the establishment. She did develop her own public style later on, particularly after the separation.

Didn't the civil unrest story gain currency several years later once she had properly been recognized as an icon? The whole Candle In The Wind re-write was a powerful push to get the ball rolling in that direction. I do question whether Elton John's friendship with Harry actually encourages some of the irrational intensity.

TrashyPanda

Re your DF and his mam. There are no words for that 🌻

She also had 4 affairs within the marriage which she has admitted to - starting 4 years after her wedding day with Mannakee, then Hewitt, then Gilbey and then Hoare before the separation was even announced in 1992 - so starting from when Harry was barely a year old.

Quite busy and preoccupied.

And yes Charles was also a shit parent shagging before and during their marriage