The trials and tribulations of Harry - thread 2

[TrashyPanda]

Continuation of

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4812092-ph-lost-bid-to-challenge-for-right-to-pay-home-office-for-his-security?page=10&reply=126688485

it was only at the age of 28, spurred on by elder brother Prince William, that he decided to see a therapist.

Prince Harry therapy: everything Duke of Sussex has said about his mental health | HELLO! (hellomagazine.com)

William suggested therapy for his grief over his mothers death, not for the damage being in that family has done

Maybe William hoped it might also help Harry’s insane jealousy?

Any decent therapist would go with their patient's needs, not limit themselves to specific topics. So I think that disproves any suggestion that Harry would have been denied mental health treatment in case it uncovers unhealthy family dynamics.

well the therapist would, we're discussing why the family apparently think he's been brainwashed and I suggested hs family would think that because he's been talking about the harm they cause him.

And its odd, given he was able to access therapy, that he was unable to help Meghan access mental health support when she was suicidal. Especially as she had her own, independent, medical team for her pregnancy. I'm not sure why they approached HR instead of her - chosen - medical team.

Very strange.

I suggested hs family would think that because he's been talking about the harm they cause him

After Spare and the harm that caused to familial relations I bet he's not the only one in therapy.

@mixedrecycling - quite inexplicable.

one might say it was unbelievable.

Valentine Low has an intriguing take on that and a few other things.

But that was well before he met Meghan and left the RF. So he saw a therapist years before, and made no accusations. And seemed close to his family.

oh so you're saying that his family think that the crazy Californian therapists and his wife 'brainwashed' him? because he never said any of this negative stuff about them before? I think being able to walk away from them and have independence is why he could say things he couldn't;t if he still lived and worked with them.

@tigger2022 said 'Yes his own family think he’s been brainwashed by dodgy therapists'

@Iwantcakeeveryday You said 'well his family would wouldn't they? That's not unusual when a family is unhealthy and as damaging as his family is, of course they'd see therapy as a threat.'

And yet the evidence is - from his own words - that his family encouraged him to have therapy. He did, without concluding that his family was damaging. More recently he seems to have changed his mind.

TrashyPanda · Today 20:17
Iwantcakeeveryday · Today 20:04

fancy thinking you live a life of service with all that money and obscene wealth privilege and special laws you get from your 'role'... I think the nicest thing I could say is she lacked self awareness. Big time.

Meghan has form for a lack of self-awareness though - remember her self pitying statement on tour of Africa?

very true both

Why couldn’t he walk away and behave like a decent person instead of slagging them off in public?
what did he hope to achieve?
his public rating keeps falling in polls
he is estranged from most of his family.

time to grow up and be an adult, Harry.

From his own words his family encouraged him to have therapy, which doesn't agree with your claim that they see therapy as a threat, due to being unhealthy and damaging

oh so you're saying that his family think that the crazy Californian therapists and his wife 'brainwashed' him? because he never said any of this negative stuff about them before?

I suspect his family are worried that he's being treated by therapists who aren't doing much if anything to help him but seem to be making him worse.

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain - very good point.

Harry seems to be very very unhappy. It’s sad that his fabulous new life just leaves him miserable.

Although I do suspect his mainly aimless life is a big contributor to his mindset, as he seems to lack any real purpose.

There's a lot of difference between former Harry and current Harry, for whatever reason. He seems to have settled on being permanently angry at everything.

Although I do suspect his mainly aimless life is a big contributor to his mindset, as he seems to lack any real purpose.

I think this hits the nail on the head. I bet anything you like that when he was in the Army he wasn't navel gazing depressed and resentful in the way he is now because he wouldn't have had time or mental space.

I understand that someone in the 'spare' position is going to find it difficult to find a place - but it's not impossible - look at Princess Anne or Prince Edward. It is challenging because unless you are going to renounce it all, you can't really do anything purely commercial (if you remain in the royal family working) so you need to look for service and get stuck into it properly - like Princess Anne.

Comparing the life of Princess Anne with Prince Andrew (pre-Epstein I'm talking about) shows how one did it well and one didn't at all.

But albeit carrying difficulty, it has HUGE and I mean HUGE life benefits. Knowing that you will never, ever have to worry about money or a roof over your head or being able to pay for the staff you choose to have is a huge life plus. You could meet literally anyone you wanted to, go anywhere you wanted.
He seems very ungrateful for any of that.

The Army gave him direction, purpose and comradeship.

and it let him develop largely away from the public eye/press attention.

I for one don't believe it. I know for a fact the midwifery and obstetric services are very committed to picking up pregnancy related MH problems, and you are asked this very question. At every appointment you are also asked how you are so it's ridiculous to say there was no help available. If she chose not to avail herself of help then that's another matter. To reiterate it is impossible that maternity services would not ask about MH. There, I've called BS on help not being available. Perhaps she was too embarrassed or too private or Harry convinced her not to get help? Who knows, but it was there.

To clarify..Meghan may have been depressed or even suicidal. I'm not questioning that because I don't know, I wasn't there. I am questioning help not being available.

Or maybe the help she diagnosed herself as needing was not also diagnosed by her medical team (that she chose). A cultural difference between medical care in the UK and medical care in the US, where a wealthy patient can dictate to their medical team to a greater extent.

I think the issue was she wanted residential rehab, like the Priory. The palace apparently didn’t want this.