The trials and tribulations of Harry - thread 2

[TrashyPanda]

Continuation of

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4812092-ph-lost-bid-to-challenge-for-right-to-pay-home-office-for-his-security?page=10&reply=126688485

@tigger2022 - surely nobody has tried to claim he’s doing this for Chelsey? That’s just crazy

TrashyPanda

and just before the court case, so transparent

and just goes to show they’re happy using the media to manipulate public opinion to suit

As for the RF, the MGN have pretty much admitted that they have gotten stories from his family

'Pretty much admitted'....In other words they haven't admitted anything! A prime example of a word salad.

California is rife with psychobabble peddlers ...

his own mother was prone to that too.

she had her own astrologer
went and sat inside this special pyramid thingy
had weekly colonic irrigations

??? Really!

Holding the press to account for their role in his life and their illegality does not mean he doesn't take responsibility for his behaviour

I'd agree if he ever made the slightest suggestion that any of the negatives he perceives are the result of his own choices, but I'm still waiting ...

@Puzzledandpissedoff , I think we will all be waiting a very, very long time! 🤣

holding the press to account for their role in his life and their illegality does not mean he doesn't take responsibility for his behaviour

id have to disagree with that, because we’ve seen how adult Harry simply opens his mouth and lets his tongue waggle, with no reflection on what his words might do to others. Nor does he fully apologise later.

for example, in Spare he related how vile he was to the matron, because she was disabled. With no reflection on how awful that was, what a nasty kid he was, how his wok with disabled veterans helped him to see the person, not the disability.

he referred to an Army colleague in a hugely offensive way and let KP apologise on his behalf. No personal owning up and taking responsibility. And later claimed he had no knowledge the word was offensive.

now, his mother was close friends with Imran and Jemima Khan. She had a Pakistani boyfriend. Is it realistic that she never spoke to her sons about racial prejudice or that Harry never heard schoolmates use that term? It is possible, but IMO not probable.

The arrogant press DO need to be called out on their BS and they won't change unless forced to. He is one of the very few people in the world who is willing and CAN do this

but Harry is equally arrogantly putting out his own BS - the “near catastrophe” for example

It's just more hypocritical rhubarb from Harry , more do as I say not as I do!
He's hardly a man , let alone the only man for the job!

When the defence was saying the family was the source I think they were talking about press releases

There is a huge difference between therapy with a purpose, and therapy for therapy's sake. (Or the benefit of the therapist).

I don't see Harry getting much of the former.

If Harry was smarter then he'd accept and turn himself into a figure that people either love or hate like Trump. He is after all the man that created the phrase "Fake news!"

(Note: I'm not saying that Harry has done anything illegal or criminal. I am purely referencing his hatred of the press for not adoring him)

I see people like AOC go to the Met Gala (tens of thousands of dollars for a ticket) in her "Tax The Rich" dress and think that Harry needs to embrace that "fuck it" attitude and do what he wants without getting angry when people comment.

I suspect that he's gone from the "no men" at BP to "yes men" in his US life which has created him a new set of problems that he can't see as the yes men are telling him what he wants to hear.

@WheelsUp

He'd never do that because in his own mind he's a sophisticated, urbane figure

Yes, when Harry and Meghan want to use the press to their advantage by announcing a 'near catastrophic car chase' (echoing Diana's fatal car crash)...despite it being a farcical exaggeration, they don't hesitate.

So they put out inaccurate media reports, yet Harry is fighting for media accuracy.

Make it make sense!

I could easily be wrong, but I thought is was Fergie who used the special pyramid.

Yes his own family think he’s been brainwashed by dodgy therapists. There are loads of great ones using tried & tested methods to achieve actual objectives. Then there are those that use weird fads which seem to just make their clients worse in a way that creates more problems so that they and their wallets keep coming back for more.

And his whole new thing of “mental fitness” which appears to involve selling ineffective therapy to people who don’t need it, under the somewhat sketchy premise that if you buy one of these “mental fitness” courses for your company then your employees won’t get a mental illness… it’s all a bit of a scam to be honest. Therapy that actually works is hard work. The idea you can prevent mental illness through unnecessary therapy is like suggesting you can avoid cancer by having unnecessary chemotherapy. I think he really believes in it though.

I think everyone is waiting to see if they will sue anyone over that near catastrophic night. Could that trial be televised like the Johnny Depp case?

I was shocked by:

• nobody owns the word “Royal”
• ”collaborate” with the Queen
• I can’t believe I’m not being paid for this

in addition to “service is universal”. It’s not shocking for being disrespectful as far as I’m concerned. I’m not one for kowtowing. I’m shocked by the brazen lack of understanding OR, if they did understand (Harry definitely did and does) the sheer arrogance of thinking that by just uttering the words they could bring about an equalization of the then 6th in line to the throne + his new wife with the then reigning monarch. Gobsmackingly arrogant. You see this often with people who go to another country and try to tell the natives how they do things better, usually by doing things the way they do it in their home country. Most obviously, that’s every colonial power ever. In this case, it had to have been Meghan Markle given Harry had never before shown any signs of considering himself on par with his granny/the Queen. You cringe for them.

@polkadotdalmation yes a thousand times - it isn’t about making the media accurate it’s about controlling the narrative

tigger2022 · Today 18:04
Yes his own family think he’s been brainwashed by dodgy therapists. There are loads of great ones using tried & tested methods to achieve actual objectives. Then there are those that use weird fads which seem to just make their clients worse in a way that creates more problems so that they and their wallets keep coming back for more.

And his whole new thing of “mental fitness” which appears to involve selling ineffective therapy to people who don’t need it, under the somewhat sketchy premise that if you buy one of these “mental fitness” courses for your company then your employees won’t get a mental illness… it’s all a bit of a scam to be honest. Therapy that actually works is hard work. The idea you can prevent mental illness through unnecessary therapy is like suggesting you can avoid cancer by having unnecessary chemotherapy. I think he really believes in it though.

omg about the mental fitness course 😬 is he really pedalling that ?!

Yep. 'Better Up' I think it's called. Minimal qualifications needed. Harry is (was? I think still is) 'CHIMPO' - Chief Impact Officer!

@polkadotdalmation

It needs to be processed, understood and accepted. To carry on with the focus on the trauma, it being your whole life, and transferring that trauma to encompass your current life and your wife is not healthy. Ruminating on it constantly, picking the scab you never let heal, is a road to nowhere. Harry can't seem to understand this.

I agree with this. There comes a point where constantly repeating it just becomes reinforcement of the things you are upset about again and again until it becomes set in concrete deep with in you.

He is so deeply racked with jealousy of William it is really shocking. All that stuff about being upset about him having different rooms and so on. Its' very very sad.

On a similar note, I read this which was about that rather lovely portrait which at the time was widely aclaimed not being displayed at the NPG.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-william-prince-harry-portrait-hidden-national-portrait-gallery-jpqkbmfxw

When Harry was shown a photograph of the portrait - this is what he said

When Harry was shown a photograph of the painting during a visit to Barbados that year, he said: “I don’t know, I’m a little bit more ginger in there than I am in real life, I think. And he got given more hair. Apart from that, it is what it is. But, no, it’s nice. It could have been worse.”

He can't resist a dig about his brother's hair can he? & it's not like he's exactly Lassie in the fur department.

To say 'it is what its is' as a public comment about a really lovely portrait of you that a huge amount of work has obviously gone into, when you are in his position is petulant and nasty I think. He would know what he thinks would be quoted and matters to the artist personally and more widely professionally.

I think you're right that that specific therapy was more associated with Fergie, but amongst those who testified at the Inquest in to Diana's death there were several New Age/alternative practitioners. I've no idea whether those individuals are renowned in their fields or if they could be fairly characterised as peddlers, but either way it does show something of what Diana was drawn to

i think Fergie introduced her to plastic pyramid lady.

at the inquest, her private secretary Patrick Jephson said

”Diana consulted a "bewildering cocktail" of alternative therapists, including astrologers, reflexologists, psychoanalysts and soothsayers as well as having treatments such as colonic irrigation and massage”

colonic irrigation is basically a high enema. Cant imagine chosing to do that, or have someone observe what comes out!

He really needs a partner who will challenge him and help him see things from a more empathetic viewpoint and in a more balanced way. Instead he has a wife who shares his paranoia and thin skinned approach. What unites them is the ‘ ius against the world’ approach. If they didn’t have that I really think they would have very little to bind them together.