The trials and tribulations of Harry - thread 2

[TrashyPanda]

Continuation of

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4812092-ph-lost-bid-to-challenge-for-right-to-pay-home-office-for-his-security?page=10&reply=126688485

I think being part of the media, working in newspapers, makes you less likely to have an impartial view of this tbh

I'm not sure who this is to but if that is directed at me, I am not part of the media and I don't work in newspapers - but I do have knowledge of how they work and how a newspaper is created and how news agendas for a particular day come about.

I don't think I'm biased - not least because I was agreeing with you that the media influences people!

well I think I have knowledge how they work too! we just come to different conclusions on this.

It's his choice, Rather than stew on things for the rest of his life, I think it might be cathartic for him to do this. The arrogant press DO need to be called out on their BS and they won't change unless forced to. He is one of the very few people in the world who is willing and CAN do this.

As for the RF, the MGN have pretty much admitted that they have gotten stories from his family, so I think they have a lot to answer to if they have been leaking stories about him..
Perhaps - and this is a shocking thought - they deserve to be punished?

if Charles was able to take them to court for that disgusting invasion of his privacy I would applaud and support him, too long ago so he cannot but despite intensely disliking him I would support it 100% .

If you read the Gordon Kaye post I wrote about above, that was 1990 and he lost his case. If the same case was brought today, Kaye would have win on the basis of invasion of privacy because the law has moved on.

Tampongate was 1993 and it was the same thing. The law of misuse of private information and invasion of privacy was different at that time.

Suing successfully for publishing private personal information (as distinct from commercial breach of confidence) only really began following the Human Rights Act 1998 and got going properly post-2004 following Naomi Campbell's win in the House of Lords

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell_v_MGN_Ltd

how come they don’t also get enraged about Charles and tampon gate? Which was def illegal unethical hacking and an abuse of power

People forget that it was a disgusting breach of privacy because of the "humour" of it, but they should have sued. They must have been so embarrassed.

@behaveasbefitsthesituationwillyas And does that mean Harry deserves to be punished for the things he's leaked about his family? It just becomes a death spiral of grievance.

I get that the press needs to be accountable, but he's admitted on the stand that he has no proof. Better left to those that have evidence of hacking I would have thoughts. There is a risk that this will be worse for him if he loses, which is a possibility.

Why would she? She would be ridiculed, abused by the press, hounded and degraded, like an animal at each and every turn. She is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

@polkadotdalmation yeah it is odd she wasnt on site supporting her partner during such an emotional process

yeah it is odd she wasnt on site supporting her partner during such an emotional process

Nobody rational would want to publicly associate with that sh*t show really.

So much of what was in his witness statement looks in the cold light of day to a rational person as emotionally driven embarrassing nonsense lacking any substantive evidence. It's just my view but I am very surprised that his lawyers allowed him to file a statement in that form. Someone should have told him not to even if he was insisting.

Witness statements in that part of the High Court have to have a statement that says

CONFIRMATION OF COMPLIANCE
I understand that the purpose of this witness statement is to set out matters of fact of which I have personal knowledge.
I understand that it is not my function to argue the case, either generally or on particular points, or to take the court through the documents in the case.

There is a lot in there that is not matters of fact at all but ranting expressions of opinion about none factual matters.

Besides - as regards Megha coming - they have two little children - one parent should be with them.

I think that the only way that she'd set foot on UK soil again would be if she was being paid.

Agree that it's better for her to stay at home with the kids instead of attending court.

hes a grown man, he's quite capable of going to court by himself and I think is protective of her and her mental health, along with of course the importance of there children and having both parents absent. I would not subject my partner to the abuse and headlines she'd face by coming.

I’ve just read in the Telegraph btw that a family friend said Chelsy wasn’t consulted:

Davy is married, and has a young child. Did it not occur to Harry, who feels every prick of life like a dagger, that revisiting the flora of their affair might distress this blameless person who, unlike Meghan, backed out of the strobe lights? Did he even bother to consult her before he sued?
According to a Davy family friend, he did not. Once again, his willingness to share details about personal relationships with women makes him less Lochinvar than louche.

And does that mean Harry deserves to be punished for the things he's leaked about his family? It just becomes a death spiral of grievance.

Perhaps, or perhaps his family should not behave they way they do in the first place. Harry is a product of his upbringing (as are all of them). As a family they don't seem to talk, just leak/plant stuff against each other. It's pretty gross and not what a healthy family should be. Their individual popularity is what matters and Harry - the baby of the family at the time - was thrown under the bus, even by his own father. What kind of family does that.

Or, in the words of The Jam

the public wants what the public gets?

That’s just embarrassing for a grown man to say.

grow up and take responsibility for your own actions

The press have many faults. Being responsible for Harry's intelligence, or lack of, isn't amongst them.

To be fair, talking is not therapeutic for everyone.

speaking from personal experience - been taken almost to the point of no return.

I do have a friend who was sexually abused as a child (mother knew and did nothing) and she has been having therapy for over 50 years. She does find it helps her, and I fully support whatever helps her.

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I think Harry gave many reasons for the public to reconsider the positive portrait of him that they previously had.

one that stands out is when QEII made a statement about a life of service and H&M snapped back “service is universal”

it was rude
it was offensive
it was a childish, petty, point scoring thing to do.

i was genuinely shocked.

Yep I was too ! , very disrespectful.

I thought it was petulant. A bit teenage!

I believe the hero son/husband/dad angles are deceptive. It is all about making enough money to maintain a lifestyle beyond their means. However, if they explicitly stated it without tugging at heart strings, they would fall even further in popularity so they keep weaving these elaborate justifications for why they think they deserve to be validated.

Re Harry and therapy. Yes, it is good to talk about childhood trauma even to the general public as well as therapists, but there comes a tipping point when the trauma becomes all you think about. It needs to be processed, understood and accepted. To carry on with the focus on the trauma, it being your whole life, and transferring that trauma to encompass your current life and your wife is not healthy. Ruminating on it constantly, picking the scab you never let heal, is a road to nowhere. Harry can't seem to understand this.

When I was nursing we had a girl constantly admitted with self harm. I won't go into what she did but it was horrific. She was severely abused as a child and didn't have either the intelligence or the emotional capacity to take the years of help and therapy given. Maybe so emotionally damaged it was impossible. She died in the end, but she reminds me of Harry. So damaged and so traumatised he can't make rational decisions, can't be helped despite therapy, a wife, children and a lovely home, years in the RF and all the support and therapy given there.

It's not a get out of jail card from me, because he also is intelligent enough to know he is hurting innocent people, knows he is betraying trust, knows that his actions have consequences but he carries on regardless.

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@Iwantcakeeveryday also no one has said they’re anti therapy

New age hippy cali navel gazing drug encouraging charlatans were critised

Isn’t nice to keep twisting and misinterpreting what’s been previously posted btw

nobody lives in a tiny bubble of one unaffected by anything else and the media is a powerful tool that absolutely affects our perceptions of events, and of people. its more likely peoples views and opinions are affected by both how media portray him as well as his behaviour, along with other biases and preconceptions thatvare inevitable

I think a good example of that was the press statement about the “near catastrophe” - which was swiftly proven to be nothing of the kind, by the authorities, the press and social media, where nobody in NY had seen anything of that sort happening

it was classic attempt at delIberately trying to influence the press being blown wide-open and causing worldwide derision.