The trials and tribulations of Harry - thread 2

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Continuation of

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4812092-ph-lost-bid-to-challenge-for-right-to-pay-home-office-for-his-security?page=10&reply=126688485

So agree with this. Life in Hollywood would,have been the last thing a man who felt comfortable and relaxed in Africa and saw an idyllic life there.

exactly, truly it is disgusting how black people are scrutinised for how they deal with racism and if they do not stand for it are accused of 'weaponising' it. NO. The weapon is the racism directed at people of colour.

If you were the judge, that would be enough to rule in his favour. Was it more likely than not that he was hacked? Yes.

If there are multiple people involved how does it work with the ruling?

Is it more about a general issue not individual, so Harry doesn’t have to prove he was hacked but overall the judge needs to think hacking went on at some point with any of them

Someone here referred to 'Spare' as 'My Big Book of Meany Poos'.

It was basically a way to 'get back' at everyone Harry perceives to have wronged him in his life. Which I guess is fine given that it was his book. But now he seems to be attempting to use the law courts for the same purpose. He doesn't seem to think he needs to do anything so mundane as providing actual evidence. It's all about who published stories that weren't to his liking, even if decades ago. But the judge isn't really interested in his feelings or resentments. He needs to show proof, and he doesn't seem to have done so.

But we already know his brother was hacked. We know lots of people were hacked. We don't need a court case for that.

If the knowledge that other people were hacked around the same time is enough, why go to the trouble and expense of a court case?

@Puzzledandpissedoff Please don't respond, or this kindly thread will be dragged down and ultimately deleted. Or at least a stern warning from MNHQ. I understand and agree with your view, but stating it is inviting the usual. 😉

Harry's chit chat with the judge reminds me what a divorce lawyer said. Stick to the practical issues around divorce. Keep all the emotional stuff for a councillor, they're much cheaper 😂😂

Harry's chit chat with the judge

He seems to regard the judge as akin to one of his tame chat show hosts.

I'm guessing the judge can't make a ruling that basically says 'everyone in the public eye was hacked during that time period'. He needs proof of some sort, and Harry has admitted he has none so it will be interesting. Someone up thread commented that it may be a ruling with £1 damages like the Hamiltons, so that may be the middle ground he goes for.

Looking at the four people chosen to go first, it looks probable that they have been chosen for the publicity (Harry) and strength of their case (the other three, who I doubt will have lots of major press outlets live streaming)

As an aside and absolutely not mockery as baldness affects people deeply, but why on earth doesn't he shave his head like many balding men do? It would look so much better than the sparse bumfluffy wisps he currently has.

Why does anyone?

To have their day in court. To see wrongdoers held to account. To be awarded damages. To be proven in the right. Who knows?

We also don’t know whether MGN offered him a settlement to avoid this going to court and he refused. I don’t think that’s been revealed? It would be interesting to know.

As an aside and absolutely not mockery as baldness affects people deeply, but why on earth doesn't he shave his head like many balding men do?

He does like to bring up William's baldness - having hair is one of the ways he thinks he is "better" than William, I reckon.

It doesn’t look v patrician to shave head, as he sees it. It’s a bit pints of stella at cash & carry/‘common’ in his view, I suspect.

Surprised M hasn’t signed H up for full on hair transplant & aesthetics. NB: Is M with H i UK, currently?

‘sparse bumfluffy wisps ‘

shouldn’t have read that as I went to take a sip of tea 😂😭

‘taking several girlfriends back to the same luxury lodge where he enjoyed time with Chelsy ‘

for real?! That’s v creepy - red flags galore - I can’t imagine any woman being happy to find out they were revisiting old romantic spots of an ex

He needs to show proof, and he doesn't seem to have done so

He actually doesn’t. He presents his argument (and you’re right in that the more proof he has the stronger his argument) and the other side counters the argument. The judge decides which argument is more likely than not.

Given MGN have previously admitted unlawful activity (including in this actual case), paid settlements to others and have hundreds of similar claims made against them, they’re starting from a considerably worse position than PH and the others.

Yet, there's nothing 'patrician' about the way Harry comes across.

William, on the other hand, nails that vibe.

Yep, pretty creepy. Shows that Harry just wanted his African idyll all along. Hollywood, award ceremonies, earning a living and red carpets, all not on his agenda I think. Whether the African reality would have been possible with anyone, is another story.

I mean, he doesn’t have to, but if I were trying to convince someone my side of the story was the correct one, I’d think some sort of proof of what I were saying would be helpful.

But you never know.

From what I’ve seen, I’m not convinced hacking was evident from the examples given. Most of the stories had already been printed elsewhere, or had alternative sources.

The vast majority of claimants in civil cases settle outside of court. Very few go to court unless there is no other option.

But that wasn't my question. My question was why, if simply saying that hacking was common at the time is enough for the judge to find in the claimants' favour, why would there be a court case? It's common knowledge that hacking was rife in those days. Surely the judge will want more solid evidence than that?

Yes, you’re right, def why W hasn’t shaved.

What’s interesting is that this court case and the book will lose Harry some of his remaining friends because they are scared of becoming dragged into his press bonanza, in just the way he says that he &chelsy reduced their circle. After the horse lady in the field behind the pub and chelsy in court, you’d be pretty wary of sharing anything with him now

We’re going beyond my knowledge of legal process here but you mean can he just not read the submissions and if it was so one-sided, just find in the claimants favour without having to go through all the actual court stuff? I don’t think a judge can do that, if the parties want to go to court then they go to court. Most don’t, as you say.