The trials and tribulations of Harry - thread 2

[TrashyPanda]

Continuation of

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4812092-ph-lost-bid-to-challenge-for-right-to-pay-home-office-for-his-security?page=10&reply=126688485

I think he's confused about voicemails that he left on other people's phones. For example if he left a message on Chelsey's phone then that's a crime against her not him.

I obviously mean if they hacked Chelsey's phone and heard a message from Harry then it's a crime against Chelsey.

I’m wondering if, even if he wins this case, Harry will ever be happy.

his testimony was not compelling - there were some headline grabbing statements, but these were not about hacking. Too many inconsistencies in his answers, too much wooliness, total lack of anything that proved his case. And his resentment/jealousy of William was still very much in evidence. The overall impression was that in his eyes, nobody in the history of the world has ever suffered so much as Harry.

if anything, his bitterness seems to have increased since he went to USA.

willhe ever make his peace with his past?

If having a wife, kids and living away from the UK hasn't helped, I don't think that there's anything that can make Harry happy. Living somewhere where there's no internet might help alleviate his clear jealousy and resentment towards his brother but that's a small band aid that could fall off at any time.

Maybe because he has more time to ruminate on how his life has been ruined?

more than most people in the world, Harry had opportunities to build a new life in any direction he choses. Building a life of purpose, keeping himself busy.

He even mentioned the stories about James Hewitt causing him to fear he would be ousted from the RF. I was quite shocked by that - bringing his mother's affair into court.

While I agree with this, my own view - and it is just a view because I can't actually know - is that Meghan never intended remaining in the UK in the first place, and that the abuse and racism (while certainly existing to some degree) was exaggerated and weaponised in order to achieve this

The case is not just about phones that were hacked, it’s about unlawfully gathered intelligence on Harry. That means that if Chelsy’s phone was hacked to get information on Harry then yes that’s also a crime against Chelsy, but this case is about gathering intelligence on Harry via unlawful means. It includes if any associates were hacked as well.

https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/494870/chelsy-davy-best-family-photos/

Chelsy's life now certainly looks much happier than Harry's

Which witnesses are on today?

Surprised Paul b hasn’t piped up with his take, he doesnt usually misses an opportunity to self-aggrandise

Agree he's trailing after MM...expecting to be happy, yet isn't, so continues to look around for someone to blame.

He seems incapable of seeing how hypocritical he is - demanding privacy yet invading everyone else's. He comes across as someone who wants to control everything that is said about him. He seems to expect adulation regardless of his actions, maybe that's because the Palace smoothed things over so much when he was younger that he's never got his head around being criticised.

All the stuff about Chelsea is uncomfortable. I can't imagine she's delighted to have it racked up again.

Nobody knows if Chelsy is happy with her new partner. She is doing the commitment and kids thing (just like he did). They may find one another again one day. However, it will never be the same. His nostalgia is tied in with his youthful naivety and while he remains naive in a different way, you cannot get back that fearlessness and lack of cynicism.

She looks pretty happy to me! Why would she ever want to 'find herself' back with Harry in the future?

Chelsy may have outgrown him intellectually. It is not easy for anybody to secure a training contract with Allen & Overy.
He lost the real lawyer but married an actress who gained popularity for playing a paralegal. Perhaps it was all a way of holding onto memories of Chelsey. There seem to be an awful lot of them at the forefront of his mind when most people would have moved on.

Given how utterly dumb Harry is presenting himself as, it’s remarkable that Chelsy (not many thick people at A&O) managed to put up with him for 7 years. Though I suspect that he was more fun back before he became a committed crusader.

Ha! Jinx

Given how utterly dumb Harry is presenting himself as, it’s remarkable that Chelsy (not many thick people at A&O) managed to put up with him for 7 years.

As I understand it, it was an on-again, off-again long-distance relationship, so who knows how much time they spent together? The relationship probably would have been much shorter if they'd been together full time

Reading the link about Chelsey's family and her idyllic African childhood, barefoot on the farm, makes me think this is partly what links him he: an ideal of what his life could be.

She represented a free life away from the UK, in nature with a happy loving family. I think that's what he really yearned for.

Instead he's ended up in a media Hollywood bubble, being on the celebrity circuit, selling his life for money, obsessed with the past, as hounded as ever and estranged from both families.

I think that's why he took Meghan to Africa for one of their first dates he was trying to create the possibility of this dream life that had been shown to him years ago.

But she was never going to be the women for that.

He is a sad person.
What is his life now? Can he create a fulfilling life?

Yes, when they first started dating, didn't Meghan pee in the bushes and sleep in a tent and wax lyrical about how much she loved the simple outdoor life in Africa?

But then, once they were married, it transpired that she really wanted a megabucks, high-maintenance celeb lifestyle in America. And apart from that ill-fated SA trip, I doubt she's holidayed in Africa or slept in a tent since

Or it is possible that he thought that he had moved on and found The One but he now feels that he has been used all along for his money and status and remembers a time when a relationship was simply about love and feeling connected, not merching and selling out family.

@cobicat

Hopefully his kids will learn to share his love of Africa. One of the loveliest things about being a parent is getting to see their wonder, and Harry has the means to show them wonderful things.

How does a person ‘exaggerate’ racism?

Racism is a weapon.

Hopefully his kids will learn to share his love of Africa. One of the loveliest things about being a parent is getting to see their wonder, and Harry has the means to show them wonderful things.

Very true! I've loved that aspect of parenting (still do!)

@cobicat

I think that would bring far more peace than spending large chunks of time battling in the courts

But did he love Africa per se or is it mainly tied into the memories which he made with Chelsy and the friendships he forged via her? Isn't taking several girlfriends back to the same luxury lodge where he enjoyed time with Chelsy not a way of trying to replicate that relationship again and again? It shows that he was never over her.