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PH lost bid to challenge for right to pay Home Office for his security

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Mumsnut · 23/05/2023 10:34

I've probably garbled that, but that's the gist of it.

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thebellagio · 23/05/2023 10:35

Given the precedent that would have been set if it had been allowed, I'm not surprised.

Mumsnut · 23/05/2023 10:40

Indeed.

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DuchessOfPort · 23/05/2023 10:41

The reasoning makes sense.

Rinoachicken · 23/05/2023 10:43

Sensible result

polkadotdalmation · 23/05/2023 10:44

Welcome to the real world Harry, where I or the American taxpayers don't have to pay for your very public, luxurious lifestyle. If you want to be more secure, stop courting publicity.

googlejourney · 23/05/2023 10:46

This was always going to be the obvious outcome, our Met police are not for hire.

Could you imagine the wealthy celebrities, foreign politicians, Russian oligarchs etc. that would be demanding to pay for specialist protection if this was allowed?

thebellagio · 23/05/2023 10:48

exactly @googlejourney

There was no possible way the outcome could have been any different. Anyone could come over and demand to essentially take over the Met. The potential for corruption, infiltration as a result of that would be insane

MsWhitworth · 23/05/2023 10:51

googlejourney · 23/05/2023 10:46

This was always going to be the obvious outcome, our Met police are not for hire.

Could you imagine the wealthy celebrities, foreign politicians, Russian oligarchs etc. that would be demanding to pay for specialist protection if this was allowed?

Agree with this.

I’m sure his private security can liaise with the Met when he visits, that should be enough? I wasn’t quite clear why he specifically wanted Met protection when in the UK.

CathyorClaire · 23/05/2023 10:51

Correct result.

Wonder if Harold is getting used to hearing the word 'no' yet?

mpsw · 23/05/2023 10:51

Yes you've garbled.

Personal protection isn't available for hire. At all.

(Crowd control policing can have expenses defrayed by event organisers. And those who qualify for personal protection can elect to defray some of the expense, but absolutely no-one gets it because they pay)

The JR was seeking to establish if RAVEC - the committee which makes the decisions on who gets personal protection - is fit for purpose and is making sound decisions.

It seems, from this ruling, that PH has failed to establish that there is indeed any issues with (any/all) of its membership, working practices, flow of information to it, or quality of decision making, that requires review.

Mumsnut · 23/05/2023 10:53

I think he's had a successful application for judicial review in relation to those aspects.

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Mumsnut · 23/05/2023 10:54

From The telegraph:

The Duke of Sussex has been denied the right to bring a second legal challenge against the Government’s decision to deny him automatic security when in the UK.
Prince Harry had sought permission for a judicial review based on his offer to pay for his own protection, which he has argued should have prompted the Home Office to "quash and retake" its decision.
The ruling, handed down by Mr Justice Chamberlain, means that he will only be able to bring one legal action against the Home Office over his security.
The Duke had already won the right to a first judicial review after arguing he had been denied a “clear and full explanation” of the composition of the committee responsible for making decisions over VIP security and how it operates.

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smilesy · 23/05/2023 10:55

mpsw · 23/05/2023 10:51

Yes you've garbled.

Personal protection isn't available for hire. At all.

(Crowd control policing can have expenses defrayed by event organisers. And those who qualify for personal protection can elect to defray some of the expense, but absolutely no-one gets it because they pay)

The JR was seeking to establish if RAVEC - the committee which makes the decisions on who gets personal protection - is fit for purpose and is making sound decisions.

It seems, from this ruling, that PH has failed to establish that there is indeed any issues with (any/all) of its membership, working practices, flow of information to it, or quality of decision making, that requires review.

There are actually two actions that he was bringing though mpsw. This judgement is actually against his right to buy security. He still has one outstanding into the suitability of RAVEC to decide his security.

8roses · 23/05/2023 10:56

Good- given he has hundreds of millions of dollars he can pay for his own security. Like all the other celebs do.

AutumnCrow · 23/05/2023 10:57

I've just read the MailOnline article on this, god help me, and if it's right then he's still going to be a very busy chap on the litigation front:

The court was told at the earlier hearing that Harry's latest legal challenge was related to an [sic] previous claim he brought against the Home Office after he was told he would no longer be given the 'same degree' of personal protective security when visiting the UK.

A full hearing in that challenge, which also focuses on Ravec's decision-making and for which Harry was given the go-ahead last summer, is yet to be held ...

... Tuesday's ruling comes amid an ongoing High Court trial involving the duke, in which he is bringing a contested claim against Mirror Group Newspapers (MGN) over allegations of unlawful information gathering.

Harry is also waiting for rulings over whether similar cases against publishers Associated Newspapers Limited (ANL) and News Group Newspapers (NGN) can go ahead.

8roses · 23/05/2023 10:57
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smilesy · 23/05/2023 10:58

Oops. Meant to add this

PH lost bid to challenge for right to pay Home Office for his security
smilesy · 23/05/2023 10:59

Ha! Lots of cross posts 😂

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 23/05/2023 11:01

How the heck does he keep track of the judicial reviews and whatnot, a spreadsheet?

LadyMuckingabout · 23/05/2023 11:03

All this litigation must be costing $$$$$ . Who is paying, I wonder….

CathyorClaire · 23/05/2023 11:03

All these lawsuits must be tearing through the cash.

CathyorClaire · 23/05/2023 11:05

Arf.

Xpost, LadyMuckingabout 😀

There must be a lot of gnashing of teeth thinking about those top layers on palace retainers he can't access now.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 23/05/2023 11:05

CathyorClaire · 23/05/2023 11:03

All these lawsuits must be tearing through the cash.

That as well.

alphajuliet123 · 23/05/2023 11:06

Let’s face it, he only needs security because they have pissed this country off so much with negative publicity, and therefore made themselves targets. I wouldn’t be surprised if Meghan and the kids never set foot here again. It genuinely is a shame.

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