PH lost bid to challenge for right to pay Home Office for his security

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I've probably garbled that, but that's the gist of it.

For info, as often posters put forward the point that sometimes policing is paid for in relation to large events and football
marches, this is what the judge said about RAVEC’a reasoning behind not allowing people to pay for special protection (as quoted in the Telegraph)

“Its reasoning was narrowly confined to the protective security services that fall within its remit.
"Those services are different in kind from the police services provided at, for example, sporting or entertainment events, because they involve the deployment of highly trained specialist officers, of whom there are a limited number, and who are required to put themselves in harm's way to protect their principals.
"Ravec's reasoning was that there are policy reasons why those services should not be made available for payment, even though others are.
"I can detect nothing that is arguably irrational in that reasoning."

@oakleaffy agreed and I also think he wants the absolute privacy that police protection affords - as he can't be so easily followed by paparazzi. It would allow him to completely live outside the public lens whenever he chooses to do so - and only enter the public arena when he specifically chooses to do so. I don't think he realised how cosseted his life as a Royal really was until he didn't have it anymore.

Not to mention that Ravec granted police protection will be completely free. That has to be a big incentive to pursue this.

@smilesy and @oakleaffy I actually agree that it’s ill-advised to talk about this stuff and he should’ve realised it would be seized upon. As it happens, I think the whole book was a bad idea and has done him no favours.

But that doesn’t mean that’s it’s not unfair to misrepresent what he said and make it sound worse than what it was. Which is what many are doing when they say ‘He described the Taliban as chess pieces’

Err… he wanted to PAY the Home Office, not the U.K. paying for it…..

Absolutely.
It must be quite a shock - Especially as Backgrid are playing hardball.

Harry isn't used to being told ''No'' by the sounds of it.

Err… he wanted to PAY the Home Office, not the U.K. paying for it…..

He asked for both didn't he? His ongoing case is to do with being denied publicly funded protection.

Basically he asked
"Will my protection be funded?"
"No"
"In that case, can I pay for the police to protect me?"
"No"

He was challenging both of those No responses.

He is in a no win situation now. If he doesn't get police protection - his private security will be so astronomical he will have no choice but to keep selling his soul to pay for it. If he gets publicly paid police protection, his already dire public perception will just get worse - animosity will increase as people see him swan around to award ceremonies and such like with police escorts (during a cost of living crisis).

I am no fan of Harry but I am concerned this is going to end very badly for him.

His only other option would be to return to the UK (or somewhere low key) and live a quiet, completely out of the public life. I am sure his father would fund this. I don't this aligns with his wife's ambitions though.

Thanks for that Mrs Whitworth.

I’m still waiting my turn to read his book. (I’m on the reserve list at the library and it’s been their most requested book ever).

But it’s always good to read someone else’s informed view and what he really said, instead of the tabloid version/ rubbish.

Good news

he must have racked up some legal bills

Because the events of the past few days showed his own security is inept!

not sure why he doesn’t just hire better security though.

He's dreadful poor don't you know...

The money he got from his mother is inexplicably being saved for his kids...

It’s a good read, I laughed out loud in several places as he’s quite self-deprecating, and whatever you think of him and the situation, it is fascinating to see from the other side what it’s like to be a royal.

(Whether it was advisable for him to write a memoir is a whole other matter!)

I just dont get him-wants out but still wants privileges of the the working royals

not saying hes wrong about the newspapers though

probably best to go straight to his destination, rather than driving round and round and round in circles in the middle of NY then

But as we have already said, this is not how the military are trained now and is not a “necessary part of soldiering”.

The armed forces made a statement denying that this is the case after his book. Also others in the same unit he was in denied this too. He was not trained to do that. It was just Harry.

Could you link to that? I can’t find it on Google.

I'm not a fan of H&M but now I am genuinely concerned for them. M seems to know a direction she wants to pursue at least (philanthropy etc) whereas I think H is keeping himself busy with legal cases which seem to fuel an anger inside him. They've dug themselves a hole and they keep on digging. I do wonder if part of him wishes he could return to the UK and RF or to the time when the public loved them both.

If I were close to them I'd advise them to keep a low profile for a couple of years and enjoy their lives and try to build bridges, I wish they would do this as the situation they live in estranged from the majority of their families must be incredibly sad.

He’s probably hearing it more from his wife than he was five years ago 😉

Why are you concerned for them? Are they concerned about you? I wouldn’t waste a second of my day being concerned over that pair of muppets.

Perhaps he needs to police to look after him so he stops himself looking like a complete fool!

When Harry chose to stop being a working member of the royal family he and Meghan's website statement referred to him being an Internationally Protected Person'. It simply never occurred to him that that would not continue and that taxpayers would not be happy to foot the bill for their security for evermore. Sheer arrogance.

Harry's issue is that he can not have armed security as a private citizen in the UK which is why he wants police protection. Personally I'm very happy to live in a society where ordinary people cannot routinely carry weapons.

He will always be given police protection in the UK when appropriate, eg if performing royal duties or with the king or William.

I honestly think that the whole situation could have turned out so differently if H&M hadn't burned all their bridges

There was no reason why they couldn't have had the same life that Beatrice and Eugenie, or Peter or Zara have - with the access to the "fun" stuff, like the jubilee/coronation but living independently.

But I genuinely believe that their behaviour (the TV interviews, the Netflix deal, the memoir) and their complete lack of discretion is what has created this whole fuck up.

No one comes out of this looking good. But at least BP's stance of not commenting means that history will look on them kindly.