PH lost bid to challenge for right to pay Home Office for his security

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I've probably garbled that, but that's the gist of it.

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He's also pissed off the Taliban, let's not forget.

It was the correct result and personally I'm glad.

He made his decisions and knew the result that would ensue.

I think he's actually a CF in my opinion, always asking and taking, grumping that everyone else is at fault, never actually realising or taking responsibility for his own actions, selling other peoples privacy and private lives, he's actually one of the biggest CF's who feels he is elite and entitled ... hopefully this will be a smack in the chops and he may realise he's Joe Public and isn't entitled and elite (no one actually should be!)

There are actually two actions that he was bringing though mpsw. This judgement is actually against his right to buy security. He still has one outstanding into the suitability of RAVEC to decide his security.

Yes - two Judicial reviews. To win a judicial review, you first have to get through a preliminary hearing where the court will decide whether or not you have permission to take your case forward.

The first one - claiming that RAVEC’s decision not to grant him personal protection from the Met specialist squad as a matter or right was unlawful. Harry won the right to take that case forward last year, although only on 4 of the 5 grounds he wanted to argue. That trail will be held later this year.

The second one - claiming that RAVEC’s decision not to consider his offer to pay for personal protection from the Met specialist squad was unlawful. Harry’s just today been told he doesn’t have permission to take this case forward. Unless he appeals, that will be the end of this one.

(I think Harry’s also got a lawsuit against a paper - probably the Mail? - for defamation for saying that his offer to pay for the security himself was made very much after the event, and so it would look better to the public.Plus he has at least three separate phone hacking cases going on).

It’s cost the UK taxpayer £300k so far in legal fees defending the case.

Not sure how the outcome could have been otherwise TBH; the precedent set would have been hideous, though I doubt Harry cares about consequences for anyone else

Then again I'm not sure either why he'd be entitled to an explanation of how Ravec's composed. Except as an opportunity to cry "s'not faaaiiirrr" I wouldn't have thought that was his role?

Exactly. Also the fact he publicly stated he killed some of the Taliban and took them out like chess pieces on a board increas s his security risk, and makes him a huge Taliban target and possibly Meghan and his kids. I think he will come to regret making those silly remarks.

Law suits seem to be Harry's full time job now. He needs to let his bitterness go and just get on with enjoying his life with his wife and kids. He is in a very privileged position yet always looks angry and miserable.

I think if he lost the case he should have to pay costs for the defence.

I think Harry’s also got a lawsuit against a paper - probably the Mail? - for defamation for saying that his offer to pay for the security himself was made very much after the event, and so it would look better to the public

I thought the claim that he'd made this offer after the event came from someone at the Home Office in the first place? The Mail may be to blame for a lot, but I'm not sure how it's their fault if they just reported an official comment

It’s cost the UK taxpayer £300k so far in legal fees defending the case

Presumably the Home Office can charge their legal fees if the claim fails?

Also the fact he publicly stated he killed some of the Taliban and took them out like chess pieces on a board increas s his security risk, and makes him a huge Taliban target and possibly Meghan and his kids. I think he will come to regret making those silly remarks.

The strange thing about those remarks is that he'd already pretty much got away with making similar remarks in a 2013 interview albeit without putting a number out.

Dragging it up again was asking for trouble.

He should actually be billed this, why should tax payers pay!

@Puzzledandpissedoff I may be wrong but I think you can only be awarded costs if the case goes to trial and you lose. I believe this was just a review to see if the case could go ahead, in which case (being a no) there would be no award of costs to the claimant? Could be wrong though!

@FloofCloud Maybe also ask for the £26 million back for the wedding expenses while we're about it if the taxpayer funded it? 😂😂

When the world and his mother can see that this was a case that was ALWAYS going to have this outcome, who the hell is advising him? Did his lawyers really think that they could win, knowing the precedent that would be set?

It seems sensible to establish a legal precedent around whether highly trained, armed police are available for private hire.

I think it is probably also sensible that they have allowed his challenge around the initial RAVEC decision to go ahead. It will be interesting to see how that case develops and the arguments he uses to justify retaining police security here.

If you actually read that part of the book, he is talking about how it can be difficult to come to terms with killing another human being and you actually can’t do it if you think of them as human beings. The military trains you to ‘other-ize’ them and view them as chess pieces on a board, so that you can do the job.

He also says he recognises that such training is problematic but also a necessary part of soldiering.

Presumably the Home Office can charge their legal fees if the claim fails?

Harry will have to pay a costs award to the Home office yes, as he’s lost the case. It’s never anywhere near the actual costs they will have incurred, though.

I’m sure his private security can liaise with the Met when he visits, that should be enough? I wasn’t quite clear why he specifically wanted Met protection when in the UK.

@MsWhitworth Would the police protection be armed maybe, in a way that his private protection would not be allowed to be in this country?

Oh yes, that makes complete sense.

Not really, he needs it because if who he is, an heir to the throne. He faces genuine risk to his life because if that.

However, I think it's a good thing he can't pay for the police protection/information

Thank you!

I'd obviously had my own garbled moment too!

Yes, Harry wanted armed Met protection squad officers, but he also wanted access to the intelligence about security threats that RAVEC use as the basis of their assessments (their view was that if that intelligence shows the threats to be significant, he would qualify for the Met squad Protection in any event)

Back to spare one for fredo

Why would he need armed security though? You can’t have security officers taking pot shots at potential attackers of visiting celebrities, at least not in the UK.