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PH lost bid to challenge for right to pay Home Office for his security

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Mumsnut · 23/05/2023 10:34

I've probably garbled that, but that's the gist of it.

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ArcaneWireless · 23/05/2023 13:43

The military trains you to ‘other-ize’ them and view them as chess pieces on a board, so that you can do the job.

They really don’t.

willWillSmithsmith · 23/05/2023 13:44

thebellagio · 23/05/2023 13:41

I honestly think that the whole situation could have turned out so differently if H&M hadn't burned all their bridges

There was no reason why they couldn't have had the same life that Beatrice and Eugenie, or Peter or Zara have - with the access to the "fun" stuff, like the jubilee/coronation but living independently.

But I genuinely believe that their behaviour (the TV interviews, the Netflix deal, the memoir) and their complete lack of discretion is what has created this whole fuck up.

No one comes out of this looking good. But at least BP's stance of not commenting means that history will look on them kindly.

I know. It’s so blindingly obvious they could have had it all I can’t get my head round why they chose the path of destruction? It’s just so odd.

thebellagio · 23/05/2023 13:49

I suspect that for many many years (long before he met Meghan), the Palace covered up an awful lot for Harry - perhaps more than he ever realised. Hence him looking like such a tool now that he's lost that innate protection

AutumnCrow · 23/05/2023 13:51

Col Kemp told the Gazette: "The problem with what he’s written is his suggestion that British soldiers are seen to see the enemy as less than human – that’s wrong and it’s not the way the British Army is trained.

overitunderit · 23/05/2023 13:57

I'm staggered by how entitled and plain thick he is. How did it get this far? And he's wasting public money making the home office come to court over it. He's really a selfish and moronic individual.

Riapia · 23/05/2023 13:59

His biggest worry now is how he is going to face la Markle as a failure.

alargeoneforme · 23/05/2023 14:03

whynotwhatknot · 23/05/2023 13:26

I just dont get him-wants out but still wants privileges of the the working royals

not saying hes wrong about the newspapers though

I think he THINKS he wants a 'normal' life but has led such a cosseted life that he has no idea how many privileges he has.

MsWhitworth · 23/05/2023 14:04

AutumnCrow · 23/05/2023 13:51

Col Kemp told the Gazette: "The problem with what he’s written is his suggestion that British soldiers are seen to see the enemy as less than human – that’s wrong and it’s not the way the British Army is trained.

Not a statement from the armed forces then. A retired colonel giving his personal opinion when contacted by a local newspaper.

Which is absolutely fine but not the same as what you said.

AutumnCrow · 23/05/2023 14:08

MsWhitworth · 23/05/2023 14:04

Not a statement from the armed forces then. A retired colonel giving his personal opinion when contacted by a local newspaper.

Which is absolutely fine but not the same as what you said.

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I think you're confusing me with another poster.

smilesy · 23/05/2023 14:12

MsWhitworth · 23/05/2023 14:04

Not a statement from the armed forces then. A retired colonel giving his personal opinion when contacted by a local newspaper.

Which is absolutely fine but not the same as what you said.

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But it still holds that the British military do no train their personnel to think like this. Posters with family in the military or personal experience have said this, yet you seem to want documented proof. The retired colonel has not just given his personal opinion, he has stated that the training is not like this. That is a fact, not an opinion. See also post from @ArcaneWireless who has a military background.

WheelsUp · 23/05/2023 14:13

Harry has made surprise visits to the Uk without it being leaked beforehand. He surprised people by appearing at his court case plus he had a meeting with Queen Elizabeth the day before he visited Invictus.
I think he doesn't realise that assessing it on a case by case basis is extremely reasonable when we have a government that is often anything but.

This was the right decision and stops people with a higher risk than Harry thinking that they can buy police services.

caringcarer · 23/05/2023 14:20

MsWhitworth · 23/05/2023 13:34

Could you link to that? I can’t find it on Google.

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It was on the TV news the day after Harry's book was out.

MsWhitworth · 23/05/2023 14:20

AutumnCrow · 23/05/2023 14:08

I think you're confusing me with another poster.

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So I am, I apologize. I thought you were the poster who mentioned a statement from the armed forces, answering my question about a link.

behaveasbefitsthesituationwillyas · 23/05/2023 14:21

His only other option would be to return to the UK (or somewhere low key) and live a quiet, completely out of the public life.

He won't be able to. The media won't let it happen.

Serenster · 23/05/2023 14:27

When Harry chose to stop being a working member of the royal family he and Meghan's website statement referred to him being an Internationally Protected Person'. It simply never occurred to him that that would not continue and that taxpayers would not be happy to foot the bill for their security for evermore. Sheer arrogance.

To be fair to Harry, that statement was made when their website was setting out their grand plan to be half-in and half-out. I can see why he might have considered that his security position would remain the same if that scenario. I don’t think RAVEC would have agreed, though. But it clearly doesn’t hold up when they steeped away fully from their roles.

thebellagio · 23/05/2023 14:32

ah but we're supposed to have forgotten that H&M initially wanted and publicised a half-in, half-out approach.

They were more than happy to remain working royals at that point...it was only when the Queen said no, that they threw their epic never-ending hissy fit

I'm still baffled by why no journalists have called them out on that point

WheelsUp · 23/05/2023 14:32

When Harry chose to stop being a working member of the royal family he and Meghan's website statement referred to him being an Internationally Protected Person'.

Technically he was an IPP during that transition year until Megxit became final. During that year Canadian taxpayers funded his (and by extension his family's ) security.

Totally agree that he did not think through the implications of what he was agreeing to as he was focused on getting out of the UK. He hopefully has a few years until the "not allowed to wear military uniform" gripe returns.

CoffeeCantata · 23/05/2023 14:34

WoolyAndYug · Today 13:35
I'm not a fan of H&M but now I am genuinely concerned for them. M seems to know a direction she wants to pursue at least (philanthropy etc) whereas I think H is keeping himself busy with legal cases which seem to fuel an anger inside him. They've dug themselves a hole and they keep on digging. I do wonder if part of him wishes he could return to the UK and RF or to the time when the public loved them both.

If I were close to them I'd advise them to keep a low profile for a couple of years and enjoy their lives and try to build bridges, I wish they would do this as the situation they live in estranged from the majority of their families must be incredibly sad.

Totally agree, Wooly.

I'm not a fan of them either - sheltered, privileged twit hooked up with ruthless social climber - but I feel dread for what lies ahead for them as a family. It's awful to think that their children will have only one other family member -Meghan's mum - no grandfathers in contact, no uncles/aunts/cousins etc.

They've exploited their situation almost to breaking point now. There's a kind of vicious circle which means that the more they offend the RF, the less contact they'll have with royal matters and the less interest H and M will hold for the public or their media outlets. Their clinging to their now-meaningless titles will come to look increasingly ridiculous, especially in the States (look at that sneery response to Harry's demand for the photos!).

Harry is just dim and he's running himself into a cul-de-sac. By the way - on another thread someone said Diana had left him £10m - in fact, it was around £27m. That should be enough (if wisely invested) for anyone to live in comfort and they should both get real and grasp the fact that they're no longer royal and certainly not A-list celebrities.

ProspectPark · 23/05/2023 14:36

@behaveasbefitsthesituationwillyas I don't agree with that. At first yes, the media would not leave him alone but they would very quickly lose interest. If he went 'quiet' and led a normal life, being boring then absolutely the media would lose interest and we would see far less coverage. He is a middle aged Royal, not Harry Styles. The reason we see so much coverage is because he continually pulls the tigers tail, law suit after law suit, controversial interviews, controversial books etc.

The likes of George and Amal Clooney live pretty much below radar - unless they have something to promote.

If he spent his days doing low key charity work (or such) then the media would get bored and leave him alone.

mixedrecycling · 23/05/2023 14:39

Yes, they have spent the last 3 years fanning the flames with controversy, so they are of media interest. Entirely up to them, they have the right to do that, but then need to put up with the consequences.

Or even just plan a little better to handle the consequences...

thebellagio · 23/05/2023 14:44

I think they could live a quiet life if they really wanted. Theres so many other royals from other royal families you hardly ever hear about, as well as recognisable A listers who don't seem to drum up the same level of drama that these two do.

Honestly, they should just chill out with their kids and enjoy the freedom to live their life how they choose.

The fact that they can't seem to do that isn't anyone elses fault

StrawberryWasp · 23/05/2023 14:52

They thought they were being so clever and brave when they outmaneuvered the RF by announcing they were leaving with a half in half out before the RF felt things had been fully discussed.

I think they thought they'd control take contol in a way no one else been been able to and the RF were just stuck on silly old protocol, which couldn't restrict the likes of them!

What they didn't unedtsand was how complicated being royal but not 'part of the firm' would be. This security issue is one example.

'The Firm' they hate so much actually knows how things work, what is unique to royal life and what can't be accomodated outside it. They should have taken their time and worked with them to form a plan. I think HMQ and KC wanted that.

But that's not for the likes of them, they 'forged ahead' 'living thier own inspiration' or whatever nonsensical soundbites they used, without having any real plan for managing the press, how they'd make money or cover their own security.

Or they thought they had a plan withtheir half in half out which they presumed the Rf would have to agree to until they just said: No.

They really are a couple of idiots who just thought they were far too clever for their own good.

thebellagio · 23/05/2023 14:57

I think they were having a tantrum. My opinion is that by going public with the half-in, half-out plan, they would get to basically have all their demands met because the Palace wouldn't want to be humiliated. But they underestimated the strength of feeling from the Queen.

I find it very telling that when the Queen was alive, everything was allegedly Charles' fault. Now KC is in a position of power, their anger is directed at W&K. I genuinely wonder what would happen once William accedes the throne. Because I can't imagine him subsidising them whatsoever - not the way that they've repeatedly attacked Kate