What next for the Sussexes?

[Casuaala]

I thought yesterday couldn't have gone better, all things considered; there was the least amount of drama or negative coverage possible regarding the Sussexes.

I'd like to hope that this marks a fresh start. Harry's got all the recriminations off his chest. The Royal Family have maintained a dignified silence and hopefully the future is rosy. The Sussexes can have the life they want in the US, with a small presence in family events back here when appropriate. (I wouldn't be surprised however if Megan never makes it back on UK soil).

That is exactly what happened.

They asked to go to Canada and work a way to stop taking taxpayer money. Media called it half in half out. Where were you?

They told HMQE, who referred them to Charles. He asked for it to be written down, Harry said it would be leaked, but C insisted. H wrote it down and it was immediately leaked. He knew where the leak was too, cause he said in the email they are willing to relinquish the the titles if it was that hard.

What is this rewriting of history? This was only 3yrs ago, we have not forgotten, we are not all DF readers.

As for your question. Are you in the palace or Fail?

I know I am but what are you? That’s your response?

Where was I? Well, I was sane back then. I hadn’t fully discovered this forum. I’ve apparently fallen off the MN H&M wagon again. But oh is it delightful!

I am currently working on a press release to tell my boss how my work shall be arranged. He will have to agree once it’s already made public, right?

Well, I was right here on MN. Discussing this exact same thing.

You claim to have fallen off the wagon, but you are here disputing things that took place? How strange. Well some of us remember everything. We were following the story, it was not decades ago and was highly publicised. Even when not posting on MN, I watch the news, read and follow the story.

Hell, I even remember Dan Wooten going on Jeremy Vine to gloat about how he got the story. I suggest you follow things up a little bit more before belittling posters on things you seem to have no knowledge or timelines on.

They told HMQE, who referred them to Charles. He asked for it to be written down, Harry said it would be leaked, but C insisted. H wrote it down and it was immediately leaked. He knew where the leak was too, cause he said in the email they are willing to relinquish the the titles if it was that hard.

Actually the leak came from the Sussex camp, as six or so weeks before the events you were talking about above, this article was published in the US People magazine:

“Several insiders say the couple are eager to escape the intense tabloid scrutiny in the U.K. — maybe even by establishing a second “base” in the U.S., Canada or Africa. It’s not possible for them to be [in the U.K.] like this, a source tells PEOPLE in this week’s issue. “There’s more pressure now. There’s a shift that is happening”…The young family will undoubtedly go to Meghan’s hometown of Los Angeles to spend time with her mom, Doria Ragland, with whom she’s very close.…It’s also been rumored that the couple could spend some time in Canada, where Meghan lived before marrying Harry to film her TV show Suits”

This came out some weeks before Prince Charles and the Palace were even aware of the Sussexes’ plans. So there’s only one side that could have come from…

people.com/royals/meghan-markle-and-prince-harry-may-establish-second-base-outside-of-u-k-theres-a-shift/

I’m going to ask to be transferred to Key West, FL. I will first relocate, of course. We don’t have operations there but what does that matter?

Because it's never happened in all the years I've been here. Never. You would be breaking the mould of what H&M detractors do. I'll watch this space should it ever happen.

@Serenster thanks for posting that, always useful to introduce some actual facts into these discussions from time to time!

Because it's never happened in all the years I've been here. Never.

I defend Meghan quite a lot you know. About the ridiculous attempts to downplay her success as an actor, about people claiming that she has or hasn’t done things…

I also literally just pointed the other day that Meghan has a Cartier watch that she bought with her own money several years ago (In addition to Diana’s one) and if she wants to wear it hiking, so what!

You may well do. I am talking about praising (or even acknowledging) them for something posters on here have demanded that they should do.

And then... when they do it... say 'ahhh.. but but but...'
They either don't believe it. Or rubbish it.

I think “told” is also a keyword here.

Imagine what a world of difference it would have made had Harry approached this differently. “Father, Grandmother, my new wife is deeply struggling and I need to give our family some breathing room, away from London, away from the British Tabloid culture. What are the options to create space? Can we just go away for six month, a year, take a sabbatical? Call it parental leave?”

They would have made it happen without the drama and vitriol, absolutely. Take a break, see how you feel, then regroup is always solid advice. You don’t have to make drastic life-changing decisions under duress.

You don’t come at people in power and tell them how things will be and expect to retain all your perks. You don’t make a power play in the public eye.

Absolutely same here. I had my head handed to me terribly for it, at times. (Also been called a racist and had one of the RF MN darlings defend the person saying “that’s just an opinion!” )

I see

I will repeat that using racist tropes to criticise someone is racist. And people will be called out in it. You made a statement and I paraphrase - people have called me racist but I’m a POC. I explained that POC absolutely can be racist. At no point did I excuse anyone for claiming non racist things were racist - I said POC can also be racist. Nothing more nothing less.

Again I will ask you - how should Meghan talk about Andrew? An Instagram post? Twitter? An interview? A T-shirt a la Melania Trump? How does that work? I certainly don’t think that H&M are crusaders (very interesting term) for moral failings. I think that Harry has added to our understanding of what growing up in such an environment does to people - reading about Charles’ life, seeing how Andrew was coddled, how Edward was annihilated wrt filming William and how they each have to navigate individually and collectively. Harry and Meghan throughout have spoken about how they have been treated and why they want that to change - I’m not sure why you think otherwise. Meghan’s focus has been on economic, healthcare and education aspects of development to help in female advancement- there is certainly scope to exclude sexual violence in that work but it is not her field (had a quick - never has been). Camilla is best placed currently to discuss sexual violence.

I don’t quite know why you keep saying I’m deflecting. Harry has done racist things. I’ve never said he hasn’t. I’ve said he is very publicly doing the work - that you can’t see it is not my issue. I do however take issue with how you have used Harry to negate the fact that the Royal Family is actually racist. Because they are. You’re the one who is actually deflecting. You are the one who feels that because let me check - Harry walked back the claim of racism - that means that the royal family is not racist. When demonstrably that is not the case.

Finally - so because Harry is obviously learning Meghan should change her child’s name by deed poll and also remove place limits on her children, who through no fault of their own by the virtue of them being born, are related to a racist firm. Why punish the children - what did they do?

I don’t think we’ll gain anymore from conversing with each other but would appreciate if you could please read me for understanding not for arguing. Hope you’re enjoying the sunshine.

Told cannot be the key word as we never actually heard or saw what Harry said. It could have been that he asked.

I am merely responding to it in the vain of the tabloids that screamed" he never even told the queen." Which is all lies, because she knew in advance.

Imagine what a world of difference it would have made had Harry approached this differently. “Father, Grandmother, my new wife is deeply struggling and I need to give our family some breathing room, away from London, away from the British Tabloid culture. What are the options to create space? Can we just go away for six month, a year, take a sabbatical? Call it parental leave?”

i don’t think this is what they really what they had in mind though. What they seemed to want was to monetise their Sussex Royal brand and set up a more glamorous rival court in America

By Sussex camp, I believe you mean Jason Knauf - who is still being tauted as H&M's 'former staff member' . Especially when he went to court. But it's clear as day he was working against them.

Also, Harry said the discussions started long before the leak. So, JK or whoever is described as an 'insider' could be any palace staff. Bearing in mind this was being set up so long ago, that at some point SA was in the cards, but it got leaked and had to be tanked.

So I'm struggling to see what date exactly you say Charles and co knew about the move, exactly?

Because I am aware of H being given the run around before putting it down to paper and him resisting doing that. Talks we're going on in the meanwhile.

What they seemed to want was to monetise their Sussex Royal brand and set up a more glamorous rival court in America

What they wanted was to set up a court in the uk where they could drop boring stuff like visiting scout huts, and do glamorous royal duties like ceremonies, balcony waving etc, which would keep their public profile raised so they could sell themselves for more money.

Because I am aware of H being given the run around before putting it down to paper and him resisting doing that.

Harry's a bit of a flake. His years of drinking and doing drugs must have shown Charles that with his inconsistent memory, he be denying one week what he said the last. The only way to deal with someone like that is have them commit to paper. Then there can be no denials later.

Agreed. The Queen’s statement about memories was the kindest possible way of putting it.

I think both were not accustomed to being told no, and had an inflated sense of their own power.

I love the Jason Knauf mention. Some will never get over him lifting the lid, because he was the only one willing to speak out against their poor behavior. His testimony is the proof that they are guilty of the leaking, briefing and lying that they still claim others do to them.

I think it’s pretty obvious that the plans would need to be put in writing, how else would it work?

And you know that how...

I think you are reading too much of the trash media to be honest

Camilla is best placed currently to discuss sexual violence.

Come to think of it, that is where Camilla has placed herself as an advocate, so I don't see why the demand is on H&M and not her.

Finally - so because Harry is obviously learning Meghan should change her child’s name by deed poll and also remove place limits on her children, who through no fault of their own by the virtue of them being born, are related to a racist firm. Why punish the children - what did they do?

This no titles for H&M and their children demand does not come from a good place. I'm sorry.
Not only does it say, the family are racist, leave them to racist in peace. It also says they will never change. The titles are for life.
Bearing in mind that H&M never saw any racism in HMQE, nor several members, come to think of it. It was only one individual accused. Now, like many, I do see the overall racism, but this is because of the individuals and their influence and in my view a lot of the staff and those involved in the institution. It is sad that these people must be allowed to carry on and never, ever change.

Over the years the staff have come and gone and changed in this institution. Some were good, some were bad. Just as some will say over the years the police force/NHS/ Fire brigade/Government has had it's good moments and it's bad moments, and all should strive to be better in future.

But now this particular little family must wash their hands off for all generation to come, for life.

You are aware that K&W used to frequently fall out of clubs sh*tfaced with Harry, right?

You assign the same sentiment, presumably.

I know because that's what Harry said in his Sentabale speech. I mean, like you say, he might have been talking trash, but that's what he said.

@notanotheroneagain

Yes and of course Eugenie who is Patron of an Anti Slavery and Human Trafficking collective. If this were H&M I would be sick of reading the word 'hypocrisy'.
It seems, from some of these posts, that H&M are supposed to be the moral guardians of all of the Royal family.

Now... Eugenie cannot speak out against her Father, but Camilla in her role against sexual violence, could've done. It is her brother in law we're talking about, after all.
Instead posters are expect her nephew and his wife to.