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What next for the Sussexes?

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Casuaala · 07/05/2023 14:49

I thought yesterday couldn't have gone better, all things considered; there was the least amount of drama or negative coverage possible regarding the Sussexes.

I'd like to hope that this marks a fresh start. Harry's got all the recriminations off his chest. The Royal Family have maintained a dignified silence and hopefully the future is rosy. The Sussexes can have the life they want in the US, with a small presence in family events back here when appropriate. (I wouldn't be surprised however if Megan never makes it back on UK soil).

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notanotheroneagain · 14/05/2023 12:10

Maireas · 14/05/2023 12:06

Ok, well it's his choice to save the money for Archie and Lilibet. I've no idea about his finances in detail but I know that he's a very rich man and I know that his father subbed him until recently.
He's now set up what with all the lucre from Spare etc.

Not until recently. Until they told him to stop being a 'senior working' royal.

Him saving money for his children has nothing to do with his employer.

His case is even worse, because his father is his employer, money handler etc. He said it, that was the deal. Bearing in mind he never applied for the job.

That is the kind of father Charles is.

Samcro · 14/05/2023 12:11

Rhondaa · 14/05/2023 11:40

'I would legitimately respect them more if they raised this issue about Andrew, instead of talking about how William didn't defend Meghan or that Catherine made a face when Meghan asked to borrow her lipgloss, or that William didn't stay with Harry the night before his wedding.'

I mean I wouldn't respect them but they surely must see their lack of consistency is their downfall. Lipgloss and who made made whom cry all seems so ridiculous when there's that massive elephant in the room.

but its not their elephant. lipgloss and crying are.
why do they need to talk about something that isn't the theirs?
maybe in his next book/interview he might mention how disgusting it is that he has been treated worse(or not) but other than that what has it got to do with them.
KC hasn't spoken or any other royals.

Maireas · 14/05/2023 12:16

Ok, @notanotheroneagain , perhaps in his next book/interview or whatever he could start a claim for severance pay. Better yet, get a legal team on it to judge whether KC was a dreadful employer who kept him short of funds.

MamoruHisaishi · 14/05/2023 12:19

skullbabe · 14/05/2023 10:37

You can absolutely think that H&M are not great humanitarians - you just can’t use racist tropes to criticise them. It’s that simple. No one is perfect - we all keep learning.

I’m struggling again to understand why they would bring up Andrew with regards to their own issues with the RF. Their issue is how they have been treated by the firm - that’s the long and the short of it. Would you like them to speak about Andrew? What context would especially Harry bring it up in?

Again Harry described Lady Hussey’s actions as unconscious bias - which as I’ve said before is still racism. However as i have said before, people use this to soften but it really doesn’t.

I’m sorry - I acknowledged that he walked back the claims I’m not sure what else you wanted. Has he done racist things? Absolutely yes? Is he trying (and not always getting it right) to sort it? Again yes. Is the RF as a firm racist too? Absolutely yes.

Sure question Meghan’s judgement but now she has 2 children with him - what would you suggest she does?

You can absolutely think that H&M are not great humanitarians - you just can’t use racist tropes to criticise them. It’s that simple. No one is perfect - we all keep learning.

Lol I was called racist because I believed that someone like Michelle Obama, with her type of personality, would have been a better fit for the royal family. Because I believe she had qualities that made her more suitable to be a royal than Meghan. But according to these posters, it must be Meghan’s biracial background and not at all her desire to turn the royal family into the Hollywood version of royalty that makes me think of her as unsuitable. It’s lame how just because I don't worship in the altar of Meghan or Harry, I must be racist. Because that's what I've noticed here. Legitimate criticism against their personalities/character get turned into accusations of racism. So no, don't try and excuse what others have done here and try to claim the moral high ground, because as a person of colour myself, I am offended that I'm not allowed to form my own opinions about someone’s character based on their actions without being called racist.

I’m struggling again to understand why they would bring up Andrew with regards to their own issues with the RF. Their issue is how they have been treated by the firm - that’s the long and the short of it. Would you like them to speak about Andrew? What context would especially Harry bring it up in?

Don't they speak out about women’s rights and empowerment? Don't their defenders claim that harry and Meghan are the moral crusaders of the royal family, who are trying to speak out about the wrong doings and moral failings? So basically, you're saying that Meghan and Harry only care about how they were treated, but won't speak out and defend other victims?

I’m sorry - I acknowledged that he walked back the claims I’m not sure what else you wanted. Has he done racist things? Absolutely yes? Is he trying (and not always getting it right) to sort it? Again yes. Is the RF as a firm racist too? Absolutely yes.

All harry does is accuse and accuse about silly things like lip gloss and complaining about being the spare instead of the heir. What has Harry actually done for you to say that he's trying to sort it out? Because he indirectly accused a royal family member of racism without naming names, and then walked back on that claim? Because he accepted a racism award? Lol the effort to defend this person, trying to defend the indefensible, by saying that he's trying and then deflecting by claiming that the royal firm are racist too lol.

Sure question Meghan’s judgement but now she has 2 children with him - what would you suggest she does?

I don't know, for a start, perhaps not name her daughter after the head of this so called racist firm? Perhaps not continue to use the titles and then claim them for her children, therefore tying them to this racist firm?

notanotheroneagain · 14/05/2023 12:22

Maireas · 14/05/2023 12:16

Ok, @notanotheroneagain , perhaps in his next book/interview or whatever he could start a claim for severance pay. Better yet, get a legal team on it to judge whether KC was a dreadful employer who kept him short of funds.

I don't know. He would be on the right. But I don't think he would do that considering he paid for Frogmore when he should not have.

I would say for your other post for me to campaign. No need. Harry is currently on that campaign for his nieces and nephews - whether their parents are aware or not. Hopefully him speaking out will save future non heirs from walking the same road his family forced him on.

shockthemonkey · 14/05/2023 12:23

@MamoruHisaishi , this comment of yours got me thinking:

Because harry is racist himself. It's more than just him walking back on the racism claims. Why don't you acknowledge that truth? Harry and Phillip are two of the royal family members who have been caught saying and doing racist things. Which is why I question Meghan’s judgement. Surely if she cared about racism, she wouldn't even look twice at the ugliness that is harry.

My question is, I wonder whether you can start life out as a racist, see the error of your ways and successfully cleanse yourself of this nasty vice? Maybe that's what has happened with Harry. I am seeing a lot of comments about him being racist, but there's no evidence of recent overt racism that I can think of in his case. I think, much as I am not a fan of his, one has to allow for the fact that people can change.

It could be a very compelling story... so-and-so used to be, and no longer is (insert moral failing). A lot of people are drawn to that. Is Harry maybe an ex-racist?

shockthemonkey · 14/05/2023 12:28

I type slowly, and cross-posted with you, Mamoru. I totally get what you're saying, thanks for sharing that.

Coxspurplepippin · 14/05/2023 12:29

Yeah, totally see Harry as a penniless little orphan from the storm Hmm

He was in the army for ten years. I'm sure it was his army pay that covered the holidays, polo ponies, first class travel while his gf travelled economy, nice cars, the housing, nights out at expensive bars and restaurants etc etc.

Wonder how the Montecito house was paid for? Or if he just rocked up to the mortgage brokers and said, oh I'm OK for the cash, I'm about to write a tell all book about my family - that'll bring in a few squillion.

Severance pay? He chose to leave. If I resign from my job I don't get severance pay.

Harry can choose to keep his inheritance intact for his children but to do that while crying poor? Tone deaf doesn't even come into it.

Meghan had security far earlier in their relationship than Kate did, even though Kate was hounded by the paparazzi, verbally abused by photographers etc .

Harry may be many things. Strapped for cash has never been one of them.

'no evidence of recent overt racism'. Well obviously. He may have changed. Or he may be aware that he needs to watch what he says and does because he's been lobbing accusations of racism and unconscious bias about the place - can you imagine what would be rained down on his head if he did say anything that could be construed as rascist? He'd lose any shred of credibility he's managed to maintain. But hopefully he's changed.

MamoruHisaishi · 14/05/2023 12:30

Roussette · 14/05/2023 11:31

No you wouldn't. Legitimately respect them more.

I've seen it on here over years. Posters demanding they do this that or the other. Then it comes about that they do it. Whatever is currently being demanded. Posters then move on to the next criticism, with no acknowledgement. Detractors of H&M never praise them for anything. They just continually move goalposts.

They won't speak out on this if close relatives of Andrew are unable to. Good.

Who the heck are you to tell me what I would think of them if they actually did something admirable?

I have actually defended Meghan and harry here before when I felt that they were unjustly being criticized so no, you are totally wrong about me. You don't know me. I've not been here for years and you are making a judgement on me based on your experience with other posters here.

I'm glad that you realise that Meghan and Harry aren't the type of people who would be willing to speak out and defend victims of the royal family because, according to you, if none of the other family members speak out neither should they. So they only do care about themselves. So whatever you or their fans were saying about harry having the courage (lol) to speak out in this lawsuit against the press, to make a moral stand and help other victims speak out, it was just basically BS.

shockthemonkey · 14/05/2023 12:32

Oh, and I'm not saying that he's a person of integrity all of a sudden. There are all the instances of hypocrisy that have been pointed out by many PPs over the 30-odd pages this thread has been running.

Howsimplywonderful · 14/05/2023 12:35

The ‘I’ve been here for years’ is a bit tired now. I think recollections may vary - very apt in this case

Nothing like someone who pays for premium to show the actual history rather than a Moehringer version of it

MamoruHisaishi · 14/05/2023 12:37

shockthemonkey · 14/05/2023 12:23

@MamoruHisaishi , this comment of yours got me thinking:

Because harry is racist himself. It's more than just him walking back on the racism claims. Why don't you acknowledge that truth? Harry and Phillip are two of the royal family members who have been caught saying and doing racist things. Which is why I question Meghan’s judgement. Surely if she cared about racism, she wouldn't even look twice at the ugliness that is harry.

My question is, I wonder whether you can start life out as a racist, see the error of your ways and successfully cleanse yourself of this nasty vice? Maybe that's what has happened with Harry. I am seeing a lot of comments about him being racist, but there's no evidence of recent overt racism that I can think of in his case. I think, much as I am not a fan of his, one has to allow for the fact that people can change.

It could be a very compelling story... so-and-so used to be, and no longer is (insert moral failing). A lot of people are drawn to that. Is Harry maybe an ex-racist?

Harry just happened to recently defend the racist actions of Lady Hussey, but sure, he's not done anything overtly racist since marrying Meghan. Good on him 🙄

jeffgoldblum · 14/05/2023 12:39

@Howsimplywonderful , what extra do you get with premium? Is it different on the app?
Sorry to ask but I wondered about it as I didn't feel the extra cost worthwhile at the moment.

Howsimplywonderful · 14/05/2023 12:42

@jeffgoldblum

Apparently you get a much enhanced search version. I don’t have it but a poster was able to show some of the very abusive posts about Cathrine which according to some didn’t happen.

jeffgoldblum · 14/05/2023 12:44

Ohh @Howsimplywonderful , thanks 🙏, trying to save unnecessary spending at the mo, as most of us probably are !
Not worth it just for that! , especially if other posters can relay info.

Howsimplywonderful · 14/05/2023 12:51

I think personally it should be free, so wouldn’t pay

notanotheroneagain · 14/05/2023 13:01

He was in the army for ten years. I'm sure it was his army pay that covered the holidays, polo ponies, first class travel while his gf travelled economy, nice cars, the housing, nights out at expensive bars and restaurants etc etc.

I have no idea of details of Harry's finances obvs.

What I do know is that his mates own expensive clubs / polo horses / private jets and expensive houses and restaurants. Guy Pelly owns their favourite night club. So anyone of them could have carried him for clout at some point. He could have chipped in with his army pension somewhere, who knows.

What he did confirmed is that his father paid for his work suits for the job and he had to go to basement sales at TK maxx as had been pictured.

We also know he was living in a basement flat and 'maids quarters' at some point. I also know the biggest expenditure was covered by taxpayers, his security.

Wonder how the Montecito house was paid for? Or if he just rocked up to the mortgage brokers and said, oh I'm OK for the cash, I'm about to write a tell all book about my family - that'll bring in a few squillion.

No idea how he paid a deposit for his Montecito home. MM could have been able to release some of her money (her credit card was paying for some things as it is), maybe with what was left of the army pension and some savings, they managed something. Who knows. It was reported that they have a mortgage. The narrative says Charles (that loving pa narrative once more) helped write the reference for guarantor - which is weird considering he just cut him off knowing he is not really safe. He never went into details, there is no need, it's his personal finances.

Severance pay? He chose to leave. If I resign from my job I don't get severance pay.

He was effectively fired after requesting a transfer was denied.

I believe the army gave him severance pay, despite not firing him. (in effect he resigned, after unworkable circumstances forced him. Just like his time in the palace).

Harry can choose to keep his inheritance intact for his children but to do that while crying poor?
He was not crying poor, but he did need security - which costs a lot, for reasons beyond his making. He was born into the family.

Meghan had security far earlier in their relationship than Kate did, even though Kate was hounded by the paparazzi, verbally abused by photographers etc .

Meghan security was paid for by Suits, not the RF while they were dating. Kate was paid for by the taxpayer, she and W were dating.

Harry changed ages ago. He has not been racists for almost 20yrs and in that time worked with building up African communities and visited racial education courses in the meantime. I would say, he is trying his best rather than doubling down.

AliceOlive · 14/05/2023 13:28

He was effectively fired after requesting a transfer was denied.

I don’t think I can laugh any harder.

Is that what this is? A request for transfer?

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notanotheroneagain · 14/05/2023 13:34

What you are showing is after the request and negotiations. After the meeting.

jeffgoldblum · 14/05/2023 13:36

I've never read such utter rhubarb in all my life!
So entertaining 🤣

AliceOlive · 14/05/2023 13:39

No, it was the message with which they carved out a major blind-siding of the Queen.

It’s not like they’d even bothered to ring up first. “Erm, Queenie? We’d like to be transferred to North America please.”

What a massive load of revisionism. Are you in politics?

AliceOlive · 14/05/2023 13:40

jeffgoldblum · 14/05/2023 13:36

I've never read such utter rhubarb in all my life!
So entertaining 🤣

It’s absolutely fantastic!

jeffgoldblum · 14/05/2023 13:40

Can you even be transferred to another country that doesn't have a monarchy?
Such fun! 🤣

jeffgoldblum · 14/05/2023 13:41

@AliceOlive , I know!
It's certainly cheered me up no end ! 🤣

AliceOlive · 14/05/2023 13:46

jeffgoldblum · 14/05/2023 13:41

@AliceOlive , I know!
It's certainly cheered me up no end ! 🤣

Me too, I’m just waking up and it’s made my day.

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