Page 30 | What next for the Sussexes?

Casuaala · 2023-05-07T13:49:15+00:00

I thought yesterday couldn't have gone better, all things considered; there was the least amount of drama or negative coverage possible regarding the Sussexes. I'd like to hope that this marks a fresh start. Harry's got all the recriminations off his chest. The Royal Family have maintained a dignified silence and hopefully the future is rosy. The Sussexes can have the life they want in the US, with a small presence in family events back here when appropriate. (I wouldn't be surprised however if Megan never makes it back on UK soil).

Morestrangerthings · 14/05/2023 09:38

RocketsMagnificent7 · 14/05/2023 08:36

*I am losing my patience here. Scroll up to my post 12th May 21.43. I said it. I was the one. OK??

Stormy quoted it. You picked it up.*

Think there must be a glitch. There's no post made by anyone at 21:43 on 12th May from what I can see. Issue with the app maybe?

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MrsMaxDeWinter · 14/05/2023 09:40

@SoTedious he does seem happy to criticise Charles's failings as a parent without addressing Diana's.

You really expect Harry to do a score card balancing out the "failings" of the mother he lost at 12 with those of the man who went on to marry the woman his dead mother said was the third person in her marriage.

I guess that this is just another thing to add to Harry's failures. He did not slam his dead mother.

notanotheroneagain · 14/05/2023 09:44

SoTedious · 14/05/2023 09:32

There's a bit of a contradiction in there @notanotheroneagain - they talk about things that are of consequence to them but not Charles's affair, which is of consequence to Harry?

Maybe it's because if he opens the box on his father's affair, he might also have to consider his mother's affairs. Although to be fair he does seem happy to criticise Charles's failings as a parent without addressing Diana's. So who knows? - maybe there are just people they have a grudge against and people they don't. The former get criticised for any tiny thing, the latter don't, no matter what they've done.

He was 12 when Diana died. As far as I recall, she was a loving mum to him. What would he criticise her mothering of in regards to him?

He carried on with Charles as his parent. Who up today proves to be an appalling father - though Harry gave him some credits in younger years.

As for Camilla and Charles affair, well, if he talks about that I'm sure he would also mention that as a direct result Diana also had affairs. With married men. I mean how big was her circle of men she could trust and be attracted to. The actions of CPB&C actually hurt not just the immediate family, but the repercussions went far.

Rhondaa · 14/05/2023 09:54

MrsMaxDeWinter · 14/05/2023 09:40

@SoTedious he does seem happy to criticise Charles's failings as a parent without addressing Diana's.

You really expect Harry to do a score card balancing out the "failings" of the mother he lost at 12 with those of the man who went on to marry the woman his dead mother said was the third person in her marriage.

I guess that this is just another thing to add to Harry's failures. He did not slam his dead mother.

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Of course he wouldn't 'slam his dead mother'. What he could have done however is offer a bit of, you know, balance and context. For example 'my parents arranged marriage clearly wasn't happy and that is of course sad and disappointing for all involved', rather than Charles being the villain.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 14/05/2023 10:09

Good grief.

You want him to call the marriage that resulted in his and his brother's existence an "arranged marriage"?

Why not go all the way then and demand that he call Diana my mother the brood mare?

So what, he is supposed to comfort himself with the knowledge that she may have died when he was a child but she had done her duty to the crown through the arranged marriage? Your dislike of Harry is irrational and your suggestion obscene.

Coxspurplepippin · 14/05/2023 10:13

Harry seemed to have no compunction in suggesting his father and brother had 'arranged' marriages, did he?

Morestrangerthings · 14/05/2023 10:15

Sorry, posted accidentally. Mumsnet has been glitching, whole pages missing, I first noticed it days ago and it made the ‘ court case/media’ thread difficult to follow at times. Sometimes times the latest posts would be there, at other times not there. Another poster said the same. A third poster noticed it later. It was glitching for 3 of us. The Royal Family thread title page also is often missing the most recent threads at times. It’s all just become noticeable to me in the last week or two.

There is a post from Roussette 12 May 21.43 - I just looked. So posters who can’t see it, should look again later and likely it will be back.

Also, Rousette is Roussette - no one else. It’s obvious to me, and I am perplexed that there is a question about it.

Whaeanui does try hard to keep her thread about the court cases and the media on track. She puts in a lot of effort. And Regularly posts. Not all OPs do that. Sometimes they post and not come back for ages. Meanwhile those threads have devolved into a shit fight. I’m also guilty of going off topic on that thread, so I appreciate the reminders to stay on topic. I appreciate it because I find the info, and what’s happening in court and why, to be quite complex and also a very interesting. Staying on topic on that thread in particular makes good sense to me.

Howsimplywonderful · 14/05/2023 10:19

Having watched the Vardy trial, I put far more value on statements made in the witness box than comments made outside the court room, so shall wait and see what happens

I hope Harry has the consent of ex girlfriends to proceed as it’s a horrible thing to have your privacy invaded firstly by the press and secondly by an ex boyfriend. Chelsey seems to now live a private life so this must be hard

Morestrangerthings · 14/05/2023 10:26

KrasiTime · 14/05/2023 09:05

Camilla & Puppah 😁 are my favourites!

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Pippa all the way. 🤣

Morestrangerthings · 14/05/2023 10:27

MrsMaxDeWinter · 14/05/2023 09:11

That last message was to @Roussette

@notanotheroneagain

I hate to disagree with you but I have been asked to remind you that there is only one ROCK in the whole ensemble, and that ROCK was Diana's.

Paul Burrell has asked me to remind you that he was Diana's ROCK, in capitals, like that, and that it is a condition of his every TV appearance that his adamantine status as Diana's ROCK be stated along with his name.

🤣😂

skullbabe · 14/05/2023 10:37

MamoruHisaishi · 14/05/2023 08:12

There are many women on Mumsnet who hold sexist and misogynistic views and share them across the board. You absolutely can hold racist views as a person of colour - it is not an unknown phenomenon.

Except I get called racist for daring to criticize the almighty Meghan and Harry (of all people-a person who has been known to be violent and racist), so no I absolutely find it disgusting to be called racist or misogynistic because I don't believe that Meghan or Harry are the great humanitarians that their fans consider them to be. Funny how you are trying to low key justify what's been said against me.

I’m unsure in what context H&M are meant to bring Andrew up in - why would they?

What context? Perhaps the fact that harry and Meghan have been non stop criticizing the press and members of the royal family like Charles, camilla, William and Catherine, and yet they are strangely silent on the person who has committed a sex crime, speaks volumes about just where their priority lies when it comes to fighting and speaking the truth about the wrongdoings of the royal family. The fact that harry could even defend lady hussey when she was accused of racism also just gets to show that the sussexes truly aren't interested in fighting racism and their issue is their place in the hierarchy.

I haven’t forgotten because although Harry is technically right (they don’t call the RF racist) - the effect of the interview was such that they did. I personally am disappointed with Harry because I feel he should have owned it and in walking back in the less uncomfortable sounding unconscious bias (which is just racism by another name), he has given cover to many people who refuse to acknowledge that there is actual racism in the royal household. He has lots more work to do. Lots.

Because harry is racist himself. It's more than just him walking back on the racism claims. Why don't you acknowledge that truth? Harry and Phillip are two of the royal family members who have been caught saying and doing racist things. Which is why I question Meghan’s judgement. Surely if she cared about racism, she wouldn't even look twice at the ugliness that is harry.

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You can absolutely think that H&M are not great humanitarians - you just can’t use racist tropes to criticise them. It’s that simple. No one is perfect - we all keep learning.

I’m struggling again to understand why they would bring up Andrew with regards to their own issues with the RF. Their issue is how they have been treated by the firm - that’s the long and the short of it. Would you like them to speak about Andrew? What context would especially Harry bring it up in?

Again Harry described Lady Hussey’s actions as unconscious bias - which as I’ve said before is still racism. However as i have said before, people use this to soften but it really doesn’t.

I’m sorry - I acknowledged that he walked back the claims I’m not sure what else you wanted. Has he done racist things? Absolutely yes? Is he trying (and not always getting it right) to sort it? Again yes. Is the RF as a firm racist too? Absolutely yes.

Sure question Meghan’s judgement but now she has 2 children with him - what would you suggest she does?

Rhondaa · 14/05/2023 10:44

'You want him to call the marriage that resulted in his and his brother's existence an "arranged marriage"

You rather dramatically suggested posters wanted him to 'slam his dead mother'. No, rather if he must overshare perhaps offer some balance. acknowledge there were faults on both sides or better still keep his private life private which is what he allegedly wants.

KrasiTime · 14/05/2023 10:50

I don’t see the issue with arranged marriages. Both dh & I are the products of them & our marriage was arranged as well. Most of our families were, some more successful than others but arranged nonetheless!

Rhondaa · 14/05/2023 10:52

'Would you like them to speak about Andrew? What context would especially Harry bring it up in?'

Err, as an example of the rf not speaking publicly about members of the rf in the media perhaps . Or, how PA has kept his security and Harold hasn't, or how he was still in Royal Lodge whilst H has been evicted from frogmore. Any of the above, except he won't as he needs the Yorks as allies. I doubt any/many others are taking his calls.

MamoruHisaishi · 14/05/2023 11:27

Roussette · 14/05/2023 08:24

Perhaps the fact that harry and Meghan have been non stop criticizing the press and members of the royal family like Charles, camilla, William and Catherine, and yet they are strangely silent on the person who has committed a sex crime, speaks volumes about just where their priority lies when it comes to fighting and speaking the truth about the wrongdoings of the royal family

So his two brothers and sister haven't spoken out, but yet his nephew and his nephew's wife should? Really? 😂

Oh, wouldn't detractors of H&M just love that! A chance for another ten threads to pull them to pieces for what they say.

They should not speak out about this. Even his Mother couldn't FFS!

But they're not the ones speaking out and criticizing their family members are they? That's Harry and Meghan. Surely, if they're willing to criticize Charles and camilla and William and Catherine, they should also be willing to criticize the one person who's been accused of committing a crime.

Why shouldn't they speak about Andrew? I would legitimately respect them more if they raised this issue about Andrew, instead of talking about how William didn't defend Meghan or that Catherine made a face when Meghan asked to borrow her lipgloss, or that William didn't stay with Harry the night before his wedding.

Roussette · 14/05/2023 11:31

No you wouldn't. Legitimately respect them more.

I've seen it on here over years. Posters demanding they do this that or the other. Then it comes about that they do it. Whatever is currently being demanded. Posters then move on to the next criticism, with no acknowledgement. Detractors of H&M never praise them for anything. They just continually move goalposts.

They won't speak out on this if close relatives of Andrew are unable to. Good.

Samcro · 14/05/2023 11:32

so posters think H should talk about A?
imagine if he did, "how dare he talk about A"

bit like the "wish M would go away"
"where is M" threads

notanotheroneagain · 14/05/2023 11:40

Rhondaa · 14/05/2023 10:52

'Would you like them to speak about Andrew? What context would especially Harry bring it up in?'

Err, as an example of the rf not speaking publicly about members of the rf in the media perhaps . Or, how PA has kept his security and Harold hasn't, or how he was still in Royal Lodge whilst H has been evicted from frogmore. Any of the above, except he won't as he needs the Yorks as allies. I doubt any/many others are taking his calls.

The eviction was just done before the coronation. There was on and off regarding security - with Andrew apparently having it reinstated by Charles recently (at some stage HMQE paid for it privately, I think). He was gone by the time Andrew was back and forth about security, not sure if he did get insider info while in the US.
All this took place after the book was written. If you recall it was pushed back for publishing after HMQE died.

So nothing to say there, really.

As for security, well maybe he could have made the point that Camilla had security before her marriage to Charles. Maybe he could also point that CPB (unrelated )children were nicely financially secured by Charles while Harry worked for Charles all his life and did not even get severance pay or security for his proximity to the crown.

I suspect all of that is in the missing 400 pages.

Rhondaa · 14/05/2023 11:40

'I would legitimately respect them more if they raised this issue about Andrew, instead of talking about how William didn't defend Meghan or that Catherine made a face when Meghan asked to borrow her lipgloss, or that William didn't stay with Harry the night before his wedding.'

I mean I wouldn't respect them but they surely must see their lack of consistency is their downfall. Lipgloss and who made made whom cry all seems so ridiculous when there's that massive elephant in the room.

Maireas · 14/05/2023 11:52

Harry didn't get any severance pay?
He's had millions from his father. Plus mother's and great grandmother's legacies. I think financial hardship is not something Harry could legitimately claim!

Coxspurplepippin · 14/05/2023 12:01

'Harry worked for Charles all his life...'

Say what?

notanotheroneagain · 14/05/2023 12:03

Maireas · 14/05/2023 11:52

Harry didn't get any severance pay?
He's had millions from his father. Plus mother's and great grandmother's legacies. I think financial hardship is not something Harry could legitimately claim!

We don't need to know what he can access or not at any given point. Besides they considered the inheritance to be Archie and Lili's.

Don't know anyone who just leaves their severance pay. They are entitled to it. Never heard of an employer just keeping it either because they concluded that employee has been gifted inheritance. What a strange concept.

Anyway billionaire Charles said he could't pay for MM, she must stick to acting. "well darling boy, you know there's not much money to go around........I can't pay for anyone else, I'm already paying for K&W.............I wanted to say.....".
I'm paraphrasing btw, but Charles forgot to mention that he is already paying for Camilla and her kids in that equation.

https://twitter.com/Mrs_K_Suleiman/status/1656000160437088259

Maireas · 14/05/2023 12:06

Ok, well it's his choice to save the money for Archie and Lilibet. I've no idea about his finances in detail but I know that he's a very rich man and I know that his father subbed him until recently.
He's now set up what with all the lucre from Spare etc.

notanotheroneagain · 14/05/2023 12:06

Coxspurplepippin · 14/05/2023 12:01

'Harry worked for Charles all his life...'

Say what?

The only time he worked for someone else was when he worked for the country, in the army. Even as a child he made appearances which are framed as 'work' now that William's children are doing them.

The RF has always called engagements 'work' have they not?

Maireas · 14/05/2023 12:07

Right. Well start a campaign to get Harry his rightful severance pay then. Poor lad was obviously cut off without a penny.