Page 28 | What next for the Sussexes?

Casuaala · 2023-05-07T13:49:15+00:00

I thought yesterday couldn't have gone better, all things considered; there was the least amount of drama or negative coverage possible regarding the Sussexes. I'd like to hope that this marks a fresh start. Harry's got all the recriminations off his chest. The Royal Family have maintained a dignified silence and hopefully the future is rosy. The Sussexes can have the life they want in the US, with a small presence in family events back here when appropriate. (I wouldn't be surprised however if Megan never makes it back on UK soil).

skullbabe · 14/05/2023 06:13

I think that in light of who you are responding to that was a really mean spirited comment. That poster consistently has been harassed, hounded, had pile ons, accusations of trolling etc over years on MN royal boards. Years. She is not the same person as another poster who is indeed defensive of her thread and it is strange that you seem to think several different posters with very different approaches are the same person(?) or that they speak from one hive mind(?).

skullbabe · 14/05/2023 06:35

Roussette · 13/05/2023 21:12

Maybe some of that is true? Not with you necessarily but some posters. I get lumped in with anyone who is not anti H&M. Everything they say supposedly comes from me too!

I don't think jealousy for one minute. You are not an enemy. Nor is anyone else. I don't have enemies.

There are lots of DM readers on here.

'Hater'. That's subjective isn't it? Some of the posts (not saying you neessarily) would lead me to believe that because they are so unpleasant.

And there has been racism on here, like it or not. I've seen posts deleted for that!

Surely you would agree we can't all be lumped together?

Let's not talk about 'pile on's'. I know all about them.

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I’ve noticed that on this thread that many people seem to think that you are another poster.

skullbabe · 14/05/2023 06:54

I’ve been accused of racism, despite being a person of colour myself. Also I keep reading comments on Andrew, which is funny coz neither Harry or Meghan have ever once brought up Andrew and criticised him. And the posters seem to conveniently ignore that Harry and Meghan have also backtracked on their racism claim.

There are many women on Mumsnet who hold sexist and misogynistic views and share them across the board. You absolutely can hold racist views as a person of colour - it is not an unknown phenomenon.

I’m unsure in what context H&M are meant to bring Andrew up in - why would they?

I haven’t forgotten because although Harry is technically right (they don’t call the RF racist) - the effect of the interview was such that they did. I personally am disappointed with Harry because I feel he should have owned it and in walking back in the less uncomfortable sounding unconscious bias (which is just racism by another name), he has given cover to many people who refuse to acknowledge that there is actual racism in the royal household. He has lots more work to do. Lots.

skullbabe · 14/05/2023 06:59

mixedrecycling · 13/05/2023 22:34

I think Harry expressed sympathy for Lady Hussey, rather than the POC asked repeatedly about where she was from?😂

So yes, not consistent...

But as someone who is white, I cannot comment on the inconsistency...

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You can comment on his inconsistency - he has lots of work to do.

notanotheroneagain · 14/05/2023 07:08

skullbabe · 14/05/2023 06:59

You can comment on his inconsistency - he has lots of work to do.

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Quite sure he talked about Lady Hussey after she had her apology meeting with Ngozi.
Surely, he knows what it's like to live with the regret of acting racist.
He was being specifically asked about her, because he knows her personally.

notanotheroneagain · 14/05/2023 07:14

skullbabe · 14/05/2023 06:54

I’ve been accused of racism, despite being a person of colour myself. Also I keep reading comments on Andrew, which is funny coz neither Harry or Meghan have ever once brought up Andrew and criticised him. And the posters seem to conveniently ignore that Harry and Meghan have also backtracked on their racism claim.

There are many women on Mumsnet who hold sexist and misogynistic views and share them across the board. You absolutely can hold racist views as a person of colour - it is not an unknown phenomenon.

I’m unsure in what context H&M are meant to bring Andrew up in - why would they?

I haven’t forgotten because although Harry is technically right (they don’t call the RF racist) - the effect of the interview was such that they did. I personally am disappointed with Harry because I feel he should have owned it and in walking back in the less uncomfortable sounding unconscious bias (which is just racism by another name), he has given cover to many people who refuse to acknowledge that there is actual racism in the royal household. He has lots more work to do. Lots.

I too cannot see what they have to get into the Andrew thing. Let the palace and those who work with him deal with Andrew. Maybe Anne could have addressed it in her interview.

You are right unconscious bias is racism, but the person doing it is blind to that. He never backtracked. I think all these TV talking heads think if they shout it load enough and as much as possible, it will be true. If anyone is setting the racism fight back, its those ignorant people who keep saying unconscious bias is not racism.

Roussette · 14/05/2023 07:27

skullbabe · 14/05/2023 06:13

I think that in light of who you are responding to that was a really mean spirited comment. That poster consistently has been harassed, hounded, had pile ons, accusations of trolling etc over years on MN royal boards. Years. She is not the same person as another poster who is indeed defensive of her thread and it is strange that you seem to think several different posters with very different approaches are the same person(?) or that they speak from one hive mind(?).

I am very grateful to you,@skullbabe thank you. Whatever I say here to you, will be picked over, so I choose my words carefully Needless to say, I purposely kept my head down yesterday, there's only so much a person can take. And why a post of mine is brought up again from two days ago, I do not know.

We'll be called 'a blob' soon like the civil service! We are all individual I agree.

BeenThereTooo · 14/05/2023 07:53

skullbabe · 14/05/2023 06:13

I think that in light of who you are responding to that was a really mean spirited comment. That poster consistently has been harassed, hounded, had pile ons, accusations of trolling etc over years on MN royal boards. Years. She is not the same person as another poster who is indeed defensive of her thread and it is strange that you seem to think several different posters with very different approaches are the same person(?) or that they speak from one hive mind(?).

Are you referring to my post? If so then you seem to have misunderstood. I have seen several posters on the RF board complain about pile ons/ whatever but when it comes to them responding to others, one said the other day he/she/they are not piling on blah blah but are merely responding. So gander and sauce etc....

In addition if you are saying that I think Rousette is another poster I don't. Maybe there are others though who do think so? You seem to have taken more notice than me.

I haven't brought up a post from Rousette from two days ago? I dont think so unless R said the words I quoted or she is the same person 😂😂😂

Roussette · 14/05/2023 07:57

@BeenThereTooo
I haven't brought up a post from Rousette from two days ago? I dont think so unless R said the words I quoted or she is the same person

Yes, I said the words quoted two days ago.

BeenThereTooo · 14/05/2023 08:02

Roussette · 14/05/2023 07:57

@BeenThereTooo
I haven't brought up a post from Rousette from two days ago? I dont think so unless R said the words I quoted or she is the same person

Yes, I said the words quoted two days ago.

In that case I apologise but I thought it was someone else. Was it this thread?

Roussette · 14/05/2023 08:07

BeenThereTooo · 14/05/2023 08:02

In that case I apologise but I thought it was someone else. Was it this thread?

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Hahaha, yes! You quoted it, you must've got it from here!?? (It would've been a bit much to C&P it from another thread!)

BeenThereTooo · 14/05/2023 08:09

So many of these threads run together in my mind ...I'm looking now....😂

MamoruHisaishi · 14/05/2023 08:12

skullbabe · 14/05/2023 06:54

I’ve been accused of racism, despite being a person of colour myself. Also I keep reading comments on Andrew, which is funny coz neither Harry or Meghan have ever once brought up Andrew and criticised him. And the posters seem to conveniently ignore that Harry and Meghan have also backtracked on their racism claim.

There are many women on Mumsnet who hold sexist and misogynistic views and share them across the board. You absolutely can hold racist views as a person of colour - it is not an unknown phenomenon.

I’m unsure in what context H&M are meant to bring Andrew up in - why would they?

I haven’t forgotten because although Harry is technically right (they don’t call the RF racist) - the effect of the interview was such that they did. I personally am disappointed with Harry because I feel he should have owned it and in walking back in the less uncomfortable sounding unconscious bias (which is just racism by another name), he has given cover to many people who refuse to acknowledge that there is actual racism in the royal household. He has lots more work to do. Lots.

There are many women on Mumsnet who hold sexist and misogynistic views and share them across the board. You absolutely can hold racist views as a person of colour - it is not an unknown phenomenon.

Except I get called racist for daring to criticize the almighty Meghan and Harry (of all people-a person who has been known to be violent and racist), so no I absolutely find it disgusting to be called racist or misogynistic because I don't believe that Meghan or Harry are the great humanitarians that their fans consider them to be. Funny how you are trying to low key justify what's been said against me.

I’m unsure in what context H&M are meant to bring Andrew up in - why would they?

What context? Perhaps the fact that harry and Meghan have been non stop criticizing the press and members of the royal family like Charles, camilla, William and Catherine, and yet they are strangely silent on the person who has committed a sex crime, speaks volumes about just where their priority lies when it comes to fighting and speaking the truth about the wrongdoings of the royal family. The fact that harry could even defend lady hussey when she was accused of racism also just gets to show that the sussexes truly aren't interested in fighting racism and their issue is their place in the hierarchy.

I haven’t forgotten because although Harry is technically right (they don’t call the RF racist) - the effect of the interview was such that they did. I personally am disappointed with Harry because I feel he should have owned it and in walking back in the less uncomfortable sounding unconscious bias (which is just racism by another name), he has given cover to many people who refuse to acknowledge that there is actual racism in the royal household. He has lots more work to do. Lots.

Because harry is racist himself. It's more than just him walking back on the racism claims. Why don't you acknowledge that truth? Harry and Phillip are two of the royal family members who have been caught saying and doing racist things. Which is why I question Meghan’s judgement. Surely if she cared about racism, she wouldn't even look twice at the ugliness that is harry.

BeenThereTooo · 14/05/2023 08:22

Roussette · 14/05/2023 07:57

@BeenThereTooo
I haven't brought up a post from Rousette from two days ago? I dont think so unless R said the words I quoted or she is the same person

Yes, I said the words quoted two days ago.

Nope it wasn't you. I found that exact quote in another poster's name. Obviously don't want to repost it here. You must just think alike.

BeenThereTooo · 14/05/2023 08:24

Usually people are denying they said something 😂😂😂😂

Roussette · 14/05/2023 08:24

Perhaps the fact that harry and Meghan have been non stop criticizing the press and members of the royal family like Charles, camilla, William and Catherine, and yet they are strangely silent on the person who has committed a sex crime, speaks volumes about just where their priority lies when it comes to fighting and speaking the truth about the wrongdoings of the royal family

So his two brothers and sister haven't spoken out, but yet his nephew and his nephew's wife should? Really? 😂

Oh, wouldn't detractors of H&M just love that! A chance for another ten threads to pull them to pieces for what they say.

They should not speak out about this. Even his Mother couldn't FFS!

Roussette · 14/05/2023 08:29

BeenThereTooo · 14/05/2023 08:22

Nope it wasn't you. I found that exact quote in another poster's name. Obviously don't want to repost it here. You must just think alike.

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I am losing my patience here. Scroll up to my post 12th May 21.43. I said it. I was the one. OK??

Stormy quoted it. You picked it up.

SoTedious · 14/05/2023 08:32

It's interesting that Harry's defence of Lady Hussey's racism was "but she never meant any harm", the same excuse he used when he used a racist slur towards his colleague. It's looking at it from the racist's POV and minimising the victim's experience. And then does the same to his own wife by declaring that denying Archie various privileges because of his heritage is not racism either 🤦‍♀️

Like a PP I can't figure out what Meghan likes about him that could possibly outweigh that kind of attitude.

RocketsMagnificent7 · 14/05/2023 08:36

*I am losing my patience here. Scroll up to my post 12th May 21.43. I said it. I was the one. OK??

Stormy quoted it. You picked it up.*

Think there must be a glitch. There's no post made by anyone at 21:43 on 12th May from what I can see. Issue with the app maybe?

MrsMaxDeWinter · 14/05/2023 08:37

Charles is the king, may the king Iive forever.
Camilla is the Queen, and the family's secret weapon.
William is the heir.
Kate is the next queen and the family's secret weapon.
Together, these are the new Fab Four.

Anne is the "Princess Royal" and the family's secret weapon.
Edward and Sophie have been recently promoted and are also the family's secret weapon, as well as being part of another new Fab Four with W and K (The way it works is that when any four of them are pictured together, they become the new Fab Four)

The Middletons are the queen makers and also, apparently, secret weapons.

Even Tom Parke- Bowles is a secret weapon and if you stand him next to his mother, father, and step-brother William, could, at a pinch, become a part of yet another Fab Four.

Quite why the family needs so many secret weapons and Fab Fours is its own subject, but with all these important members and secret weapons and Fab Fours, why does it fall on the overseas royals to condemn Andrew?

SoTedious · 14/05/2023 08:42

I agree that their silence about Andrew looks weirder than the rest of the RF's silence, because they talk about everyone else, whereas the rest of them don't. I mean, they have both declared their feminism, but Kate not having the right expression on her face when she lent a lip gloss warrants a mention, but Andrew paying off a woman trafficked for sex doesn't?

maranella · 14/05/2023 08:43

Quite why the family needs so many secret weapons and Fab Fours

All of this is crap the press come up with, not the RF. News editors love to come up with catch phrases and ways to label and group and sort.

Roussette · 14/05/2023 08:45

RocketsMagnificent7 · 14/05/2023 08:36

*I am losing my patience here. Scroll up to my post 12th May 21.43. I said it. I was the one. OK??

Stormy quoted it. You picked it up.*

Think there must be a glitch. There's no post made by anyone at 21:43 on 12th May from what I can see. Issue with the app maybe?

I'm on a laptop. I don't go on the app so I don't know. I have just scrolled up and looked at it, and there are my words!

Here is a C&P
Roussette · 12/05/2023 21:43
Actually no idea what you mean. We posted about something as a side chat. Happens all the time on a discussion forum. Sorry you don't like that, it's the nature of this place.

Does it matter? Not really!

KattyJo · 14/05/2023 08:47

SoTedious · 14/05/2023 08:42

I agree that their silence about Andrew looks weirder than the rest of the RF's silence, because they talk about everyone else, whereas the rest of them don't. I mean, they have both declared their feminism, but Kate not having the right expression on her face when she lent a lip gloss warrants a mention, but Andrew paying off a woman trafficked for sex doesn't?

Yes, it's only Harry and Meghan that have voiced so many complaints about other family members - so why the silence on Andrew?

Roussette · 14/05/2023 08:48

SoTedious · 14/05/2023 08:42

I agree that their silence about Andrew looks weirder than the rest of the RF's silence, because they talk about everyone else, whereas the rest of them don't. I mean, they have both declared their feminism, but Kate not having the right expression on her face when she lent a lip gloss warrants a mention, but Andrew paying off a woman trafficked for sex doesn't?

No it's not odd. If his Mother, two brothers and sister don't speak out when he is there in the Institution with them, why the hell should his nephew and nephew's wife speak out.
It's a hot potato and no one will touch it.