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maranella · 2023-04-24T15:45:33+00:00

He's apparently not going to see his father and he's just flying in an out, leaving immediately after the ceremony to rush back to California. I know it's nice to be at your kid's birthday party, but FFS this is his father's coronation, a day he's been waiting for his whole life. So Harry is flying all the way over here, no doubt burning up the planet on a fucking private jet, and all for what? To be seen to be there? What for? What a waste of time. If he's not even going to celebrate with his family I don't know why he doesn't just stay in California, since that's clearly where he'd rather be. I don't understand why he's coming at all.

4plusthehound · 25/04/2023 13:50

MamoruHisaishi · 25/04/2023 12:39

I have been angry with relatives but I would never publicly humiliate them because I wouldn't want to hurt them because I love them even when I'm angry with them. Unless they did something so heinous that would justify being called out publicly and even then I wouldn't want anything to do with them at all if that were the case. Yes Charles released a book, but Harry has also done interviews and a documentary accusing his family of abuse against him and Meghan. He and Meghan also remained silent when the press and the public were accusing his family of racism, during a time when his grandfather was dying. Not sure how that's even comparable to what Charles did when it came to his parents.

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publicly humiliate
The book I read had no public humiliating.

Yes Charles released a book, but Harry has also done interviews and a documentary accusing his family of abuse against him and Meghan.
Charles also did interviews accusing his family of extreme emotional neglect.

He and Meghan also remained silent when the press and the public were accusing his family of racism
They did not accuse the family of racisim.

There is not point in you or me speculating what we would or wouldn't do in this situation. It is such a unique status to have in life and such a uique way to live that we cannot really imagine it. Just the bananas notion of not hugging your grandmother EVER. A woman with whom you have a close personal relationship. A woman who looked after your 10 year old self when your mother died. Never, ever a hug.

They are different with a capital D.

4plusthehound · 25/04/2023 13:54

Serenster · 25/04/2023 13:40

Do you hold King Charles to the same standard? He wrote his book about his emotionally frozen father and mother, and spilled a lot of private info about his family.

As I said above, I think Prince Charles genuinely believes this. And we can see some aspects that likely contributed to these feelings ourselves - his mother was after all off on foreign tours for several months when he was young, and his father insisted in sending Charles to a boarding school where he was horribly bullied.

Harry and Meghan know they constructed the whole racism allegation out of one innocuous comment made without malice. That sounds more like pure spite and dishonesty, to me.

OK for Charles because ....we like him?

Not ok for Harry because....we don't like him?

Entirely subjective.

But at least you admit it.

Rhondaa · 25/04/2023 14:10

4plusthehound · 25/04/2023 13:54

OK for Charles because ....we like him?

Not ok for Harry because....we don't like him?

Entirely subjective.

But at least you admit it.

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OK for Charles because he hadn't whined on publicly for 7yrs before doing a reality show, a book where he breached other's privacy and a plethora of media interviews. Saying his parents were distant is just not comparable to the non stop hysterical mud H has flung about publicly.

Not ok for Harold because they cut off Thomas Markle and then did exactly the same thing themselves.

Serenster · 25/04/2023 14:18

OK for Charles because ....we like him?

Not ok for Harry because....we don't like him?

No, I think you’re comparing apples to oranges.

Serenster · 25/04/2023 14:33

I’s also mention that it’s been shown today that Harry has merrily revealed to the world in his own court action a confidential settlement agreement that Prince William entered into in 2020 in relation to phone hacking - an agreement Harry would not have been a party to, and in respect of which he would have not have had permission to reveal. He really is a piece of work.

MoChridhe · 25/04/2023 14:37

Willy has been shown up for the slimy disgusting hypocrite that he is. All the time discouraging Harry from suing while accepting large sums of cash from Murdoch. Did he donate the money to charity? Don’t think so.

Novella4 · 25/04/2023 14:37

@Serenster

What a strange spin you have tried to put on William pocketing a pay off

Here's a link for those who want the truth

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/25/prince-william-murdoch-phone-hacking-claims-court-filings-prince-harry

William comes out of this badly

The very least he could have done is donate the whole secret pay off to charity - not stuffing g it in his pockets

Novella4 · 25/04/2023 14:38

Cross post with @MoChridhe

Cue - Williams office making a donation now we all know

EdithWeston · 25/04/2023 14:44

Roussette · 24/04/2023 20:16

Yep. Posters have said on here that he shouldn't come. Then next minute he should. With Meghan and the children.
Then he isn't coming for long enough. Then it's an insult he's coming so briefly.

It changes all the time

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No, it's just different people with different views.

Serenster · 25/04/2023 14:44

Pocketing a payoff my arse! Tell me you know nothing about litigation without telling me, you mean.

William had a valid claim against the newspaper for breaching his privacy. If he had taken it to court and won, he would have been awarded a large amount of damages. However, in taking the case to court, he would have seen his privacy invaded in any ways, as he would have had to give evidence and be cross examined. He chose not to go through that (gruelling) process, and settled out of court. This is perfectly normal.

80% of litigation is settled, and very often only is paid from one party to the other to achieve that. And if you’d follow the phone hacking cases at all, you would know that the newspapers have been paying settlements to almost all the claimants to avoid the cases going to trail, as generally neither party wants to go through that.

8roses · 25/04/2023 14:46

Well done William - sued them and obtained a princely settlement without the hassle of stressful litigation. Hope they’ve spent the money on something nice 😊- no surprise Harry was quick to spill the beans

8roses · 25/04/2023 14:47

@Serenster you can tell which posters k ow something about the law - that’s for sure

EdithWeston · 25/04/2023 14:49

Novella4 · 25/04/2023 14:37

@Serenster

What a strange spin you have tried to put on William pocketing a pay off

Here's a link for those who want the truth

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/25/prince-william-murdoch-phone-hacking-claims-court-filings-prince-harry

William comes out of this badly

The very least he could have done is donate the whole secret pay off to charity - not stuffing g it in his pockets

That makes sense actually.

The Guardian article references a settlement in respect of the princes (plural) so it looks as though the Palace took action on behalf of all royals affected.

Prince Harry joined the action he's currently party to several years after that, saying the reason was something to do with him only just finding out. So he wasn't involved in that settlement - all in the hands of the officials from the sounds of it.

The settlement (according to linked article) was to princes plural, so Harry needs to be informed about where the money went (if he has not already been told)

skullbabe · 25/04/2023 14:51

My word - if true it really shines the light on the incestuous relationship between the media and the royals. How awful for them all to have to live like this.

Novella4 · 25/04/2023 14:57

@Serenster

I was viewing his 'payoff' in terms of Willaim telling Harry not to sue !

Shades of Willaim signing Harry's name to 'statements ' Harry knew nothing about

KrasiTime · 25/04/2023 14:59

Serenster · 25/04/2023 14:44

Pocketing a payoff my arse! Tell me you know nothing about litigation without telling me, you mean.

William had a valid claim against the newspaper for breaching his privacy. If he had taken it to court and won, he would have been awarded a large amount of damages. However, in taking the case to court, he would have seen his privacy invaded in any ways, as he would have had to give evidence and be cross examined. He chose not to go through that (gruelling) process, and settled out of court. This is perfectly normal.

80% of litigation is settled, and very often only is paid from one party to the other to achieve that. And if you’d follow the phone hacking cases at all, you would know that the newspapers have been paying settlements to almost all the claimants to avoid the cases going to trail, as generally neither party wants to go through that.

👏 👏👏

You can always tell the posters who have no idea about how the Law works.

My advice was nearly always to settle. Much less stress all round. You’d always have one though that knew better than you did.

Serenster · 25/04/2023 15:00

The settlement (according to linked article) was to princes plural, so Harry needs to be informed about where the money went (if he has not already been told)

If the settlement was intend in relation to “princes plural” then Harry has no right to sue in respect of those claims any more - he would have to give that up as part of the settlement.

Roussette · 25/04/2023 15:00

So the point I want to make is... what is he going to do with the payout/payoff/award or whatever you legal beagles like to call it

michaelmacrae · 25/04/2023 15:01

Hold on - if the settlement was to both princes did Harry did not know about it? Did William not give him his share?

Roussette · 25/04/2023 15:05

It is just to William. And reported as 'a very large sum of money' received in 2020.

Not donated anywhere then by the sounds of it.

EdithWeston · 25/04/2023 15:11

michaelmacrae · 25/04/2023 15:01

Hold on - if the settlement was to both princes did Harry did not know about it? Did William not give him his share?

He said something about not knowing about events until several years later on, so that might refer to the 2012 settlement.

William stuck to the original deal struck on his behalf. By by 2020, hadn't Harry joined the current action? It seems chose courts rather than the settlement made that year.

MoChridhe · 25/04/2023 15:16

So how was the settlement to both princes if one chose to settle and the other continue with court action in 2020?

Roussette · 25/04/2023 15:16

To be honest, I think we all knew William had taken a payout because many others who were hacked fell by the wayside too. There were far more names suing. Don't blame them, especially William given his position as now heir to the throne.

Frobisherslament · 25/04/2023 15:36

MamoruHisaishi · 25/04/2023 11:55

I would need a link or two for me to believe that he was allowed leave the army base to avoid a drug test. Seems unlikely the army would allow someone to hang around weapons and ammunitions while on drugs.

Here you go, from multiple sources:

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/prince-harry-left-army-base-right-before-drug-testing/news-story/793f225c97c3148f6be1a0a464a900e5?amp

To me it was a damning critique of the British tabloid press. An excellent one at that. His point was well made and backed up. Just my opinion.

He and his wife have indeed been accused of many things. But until backed up they remain simply that...accusations.

You mean his book where he talks about his brother’s private parts and balding head or where he indirectly blames his brother and sister in law for his nazi costume? Or when he talks about his todger? Or when he talks about killing Afghans and compares them to chess pieces? Those are supposed to be a damning critique of the British tabloid press? Also, as for the accuracy of his book, here's one source who disputes some of the narrative:

But Michael – who ranks father-of-two Harry in his top five students – dismisses the prince’s tale, saying: “Whilst the book compliments me, the recollection of the sorties and lessons is inaccurate, I’m afraid. It’s important to highlight that nothing in the cockpit comes as a surprise.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harrys-army-instructor-says-29017194?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

Harry proves that the bullying is indeed accurate. He mentions this in his own book:

More than once a staff member slumped across their desk and wept."

I don't know about you but staff crying at work due to stress isnt normal and is a sign of a toxic work environment.

Harry and Meghan have also been accused of lying, and their statements in court and in Oprah show that have indeed lied or made misleading statements.

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Your verifiable sources come from a publication titled "celebrity life" and the Daily Mirror?

And if people were crying at their desks in BP, KP or CH, that could be for any number of reasons, one being "how am I going to afford to pay the gas bill on this pittance of a wage?"

And as far as I follow these things, Meghan has won the defamation suit against her half sister, which was thrown out by the judge, and won the case against the Mail about invasion of privacy, so her "proof" has actually been verified in court which is a bit of a higher standard than tacky newspapers or magazines.

EdithWeston · 25/04/2023 15:42

MoChridhe · 25/04/2023 15:16

So how was the settlement to both princes if one chose to settle and the other continue with court action in 2020?

Press actions, including (alleged?) phone hacking between 1996 and 2010

2012 settlement covering both princes (unless The Guardian was wrong about that, in which case we prob shouldn't believe any part of the article). This was the year Harry deployed to Afghanistan, so was very much occupied with military duties, not Palace stuff.

No money actually paid until 2020.

The action Harry joined was announced in 2022, but would have been in the pipeline for some time before that,

So was the first Harry heard of Palace action in 2020 when the money was inbound? Which would fit with the time he chose to go via the courts? (Yes I know it's speculation, I'm just musing, given some of his comments about when he became aware

Trial starts 9 May, btw