Why is Harry coming to the coronation at all?

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He's apparently not going to see his father and he's just flying in an out, leaving immediately after the ceremony to rush back to California. I know it's nice to be at your kid's birthday party, but FFS this is his father's coronation, a day he's been waiting for his whole life. So Harry is flying all the way over here, no doubt burning up the planet on a fucking private jet, and all for what? To be seen to be there? What for? What a waste of time. If he's not even going to celebrate with his family I don't know why he doesn't just stay in California, since that's clearly where he'd rather be. I don't understand why he's coming at all.

I don't understand the big deal about the child's birthday. Who cares? The kid wouldn't even realize unless told. Revolving international travel around such a trifle is absurd.

Who says they are?

@IlIlI good explanation. I think Harry's motivation is one of those. It's his father and I'm sure he loves him despite all the nastiness.

There are no 'crews', no one 'hates' anything. However we have eyes and ears and we have seen clips of all his media blabbing, his reality show crap, his trashy book revealing private conversations. He would go batshit if anyone did the same to him.

He needs his royal connection for his US relevance. It's all rather tragic.

He needs his royal connection for his US relevance. It's all rather tragic.

You really don’t get it do you? He is a member of the British royal family regardless of if he attends certain things or not. He was born to it. It isn’t a ‘connection’, that’s his family. He’s the kings son, it’s not a connection he needs to create or feed. It’s just his family. You really wish that wasn’t the case, but it is. You said he needs to attend for the headlines originally, I just reminded you that’s not true. Demonstrably false. I know there’s lots of people who have trouble with the fact you can’t take away the facts of who he is, by birth, because he won’t perform for you anymore. But that’s just tough isn’t it. You’re going to have to find a way to live with it. I suggest one that doesn’t involve endless unpleasant vitriol online. It really isn’t good for your health.

I would need a link or two for me to believe that he was allowed leave the army base to avoid a drug test. Seems unlikely the army would allow someone to hang around weapons and ammunitions while on drugs.

Here you go, from multiple sources:

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/prince-harry-left-army-base-right-before-drug-testing/news-story/793f225c97c3148f6be1a0a464a900e5?amp

To me it was a damning critique of the British tabloid press. An excellent one at that. His point was well made and backed up. Just my opinion.

He and his wife have indeed been accused of many things. But until backed up they remain simply that...accusations.

You mean his book where he talks about his brother’s private parts and balding head or where he indirectly blames his brother and sister in law for his nazi costume? Or when he talks about his todger? Or when he talks about killing Afghans and compares them to chess pieces? Those are supposed to be a damning critique of the British tabloid press? Also, as for the accuracy of his book, here's one source who disputes some of the narrative:

But Michael – who ranks father-of-two Harry in his top five students – dismisses the prince’s tale, saying: “Whilst the book compliments me, the recollection of the sorties and lessons is inaccurate, I’m afraid. It’s important to highlight that nothing in the cockpit comes as a surprise.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harrys-army-instructor-says-29017194?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

Harry proves that the bullying is indeed accurate. He mentions this in his own book:

More than once a staff member slumped across their desk and wept."

I don't know about you but staff crying at work due to stress isnt normal and is a sign of a toxic work environment.

Harry and Meghan have also been accused of lying, and their statements in court and in Oprah show that have indeed lied or made misleading statements.

'you can’t take away the facts of who he is, by birth, because he won’t perform for you anymore. But that’s just tough isn’t it. '

He won't perform?! Well what are all the chat show appearances, the reality shows, the book. He is one non stop performance. He needs to lose the chip on his shoulder, accept Sussex Royal USA was never going to happen and just stfu with all his 'truths'.

Yes families are complicated but this isn't an ordinary family, this is the royal family and the coronation is a celebration of the royal institution. By going, Harry is showing support for the crown, the institution. The same institution that he blames for his genetic pain and for nearly causing his wife to kill herself. Also, If harry was sincere in wanting to reconcile with his father he would never have released the book or spilled private info about his family. He would have made an effort to reach out to his family privately instead. I also remember that harry said he wanted his brother and dad to meet with him to address his allegations against them before he could consider going to the coronation. Since that didn't happen, why is he still going? Oh yes, for the sake of the Sussex Royal brand.

why would Harry want to go and show up to the coronation even if it was his father who was being crowned? The coronation represents the royal institution, the one he blames for all the trauma that he and Meghan have suffered from. Someone who has principles would never show up for such a celebration.

It's not as simple as that, though is it. It's family, and there's always feelings involved. It's going to be complicated for Harry. Any body surely can understand that.

I believe he loves his father but he is allowed to be angry at him. We are all allowed to be angry with our relatives, it doesn't mean we don't love them.

Incidentally, Charles also brought out a book denigrating his parents for being terrible yet here we are. I don't see him being criticised for selling his family for cash but that's what he did to his parents.

You don't know whether they have talked or not. You really don't.

“There is no suggestion that Harry, 38, took any drugs while in the armed forces — nor that he deliberately avoided the test.”

in the depths of the ‘drugs’ article.

No, I am not joking.

And your point is? Did I even mention he was taking drugs or that he deliberately avoided the drug test?

This is my original comment which the other poster disputed:

As for being in the army, there was a news report that came out that he was allowed to leave his army base when no one else was allowed to as they were conducting drug testing. Harry got special treatment even in the army, the rules were bent coz he was royalty. That's not what I would consider being a team player.

Is this a space to be angry about Harry attending that Coronation we were going to be angry with him about for not attending?

[grabs flaming torch and pitchfork]

I have been angry with relatives but I would never publicly humiliate them because I wouldn't want to hurt them because I love them even when I'm angry with them. Unless they did something so heinous that would justify being called out publicly and even then I wouldn't want anything to do with them at all if that were the case. Yes Charles released a book, but Harry has also done interviews and a documentary accusing his family of abuse against him and Meghan. He and Meghan also remained silent when the press and the public were accusing his family of racism, during a time when his grandfather was dying. Not sure how that's even comparable to what Charles did when it came to his parents.

Absolutely right @MamoruHisaishi
It's amazing how HM supporters compare nuclear missile strike with a skirmish with regards to their deflection of what others have done too ...

I didn’t recognise her in the Telegraph article, her face has completely changed as well as her hair colour/style.

I'm afraid I don't accept the Mirror or an entertainment site in Australia as fact checked news or proof of anything.

Sorry I just can't.

If I accept in this case then I have to in all claims they make, and obviously that would be naive and foolish.

just stfu with all his 'truths'.

But why?

You may not be interested but I am.

If you are not interested then change the chanel. Isn't that what we do in life? After all, not everything interests us all the time.

Because he didn't like it when Matkle senior did it so why on earth does he do it himself?!

Any gripes with family should be discussed privately. Not aired for $$$ on Netflix. He should play by his own rules, but nope. It's one rule for him and another for everyone else.

Quite.

Harry and Meghan went on Oprah and merrily created a narrative that the Royal family was racist, that there had been concerns and conversations (plural) about how dark their son’s skin colour would be and that was linked to the fact that he wouldn’t be titled a prince. An international furore followed, which has been picked up and used against the entire Royal family ever since. Two senior members - the Queen and Prince Phillip, meanwhile died with this hanging over them.

Now we discover that immediately after the Oprah interview aired, Meghan privately wrote to Prince Charles accepting that there had been one comment, made without malice. It was even initially described as an “innocuous comment”.

Two years later, Prince Harry says to the world’s media that the comment wasn’t racist. As we can see, that’s something that Meghan and Harry have accepted since shortly after the Oprah interview aired, but they chose never to publicly correct the account that they alone created, and have let the Royal Family be endlessly attacked, much co-ordinated by their own supporters, ever since.

Apparently, Prince Charles once allowing a book to be published saying his mother was distant and his father didn’t understand him (both of which I note he probably genuinely believed, unlike Harry and Meghan did here) is exactly the same as this. I don’t think the comparison is apt at all, but I’d also note that Harry has said more than that as well as the racism accusations that they knew were false.

he would never have released the book or spilled private info about his family.

Do you hold King Charles to the same standard? He wrote his book about his emotionally frozen father and mother, and spilled a lot of private info about his family.

He would have made an effort to reach out to his family privately instead.

Apparently he* did. *

I also remember that harry said he wanted his brother and dad to meet with him to address his allegations against them before he could consider going to the coronation. Since that didn't happen, why is he still going?

How do you know? Reveal thyself!

The same institution that he blames for his genetic pain and for nearly causing his wife to kill herself.

From my reading of the book he does not blame palace bureaucracy for genetic pain. Rather, he holds them to account for using him, and later his wife, as cannon fodder in order to protect KC, PoW, and QC.
He does claim that their isolation in dealing with the tidal waves of daily tabloid attacks on his wife contributed to her suicide ideation.

All points seem reasonable.

'Two years later, Prince Harry says to the world’s media that the comment wasn’t racist. As we can see, that’s something that Meghan and Harry have accepted since shortly after the Oprah interview aired, but they chose never to publicly correct the account that they alone created, and have let the Royal Family be endlessly attacked, much co-ordinated by their own supporters, ever since.'

Yes all very ironic how he bleated on that no one had spoken out to correct stories about him <even though they did>, yet he let the incredibly unpleasant racist story run for 2 years before the 'we never said that silly!' Comment on one of his many media interviews.

As the poster pointed out - the article itself says the claim is untrue.

Why repeat ad nauseam something so awful without proof.

If it were about your brother, husband, son, cousin, friend, and someone like you kept that untruth on repeat?

Play fair no?

Do you hold King Charles to the same standard? He wrote his book about his emotionally frozen father and mother, and spilled a lot of private info about his family.

As I said above, I think Prince Charles genuinely believes this. And we can see some aspects that likely contributed to these feelings ourselves - his mother was after all off on foreign tours for several months when he was young, and his father insisted in sending Charles to a boarding school where he was horribly bullied.

Harry and Meghan know they constructed the whole racism allegation out of one innocuous comment made without malice. That sounds more like pure spite and dishonesty, to me.