Why is Harry coming to the coronation at all?

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He's apparently not going to see his father and he's just flying in an out, leaving immediately after the ceremony to rush back to California. I know it's nice to be at your kid's birthday party, but FFS this is his father's coronation, a day he's been waiting for his whole life. So Harry is flying all the way over here, no doubt burning up the planet on a fucking private jet, and all for what? To be seen to be there? What for? What a waste of time. If he's not even going to celebrate with his family I don't know why he doesn't just stay in California, since that's clearly where he'd rather be. I don't understand why he's coming at all.

That's not what the poster said which was 'he gave the impression he wouldn't be happy till his wife died in a pap chase car crash'

Given that's how he lost his Mum (whether it was caused by paps or not, they were an element of it), it's an unpleasant thing to even hint at

Yes I think most would agree that post was very unpleasant & unnecessary.

however Harry has alluded to his wife’s death a couple of times (also in the suicidal thoughts revelation), implying that she might be ‘Killed’ like his mum. It feels like an unhealthy thing to say. At least it makes me feel very uncomfortable, it’s like he has no filters.

https://7news.com.au/entertainment/royal-family/catherine-princess-of-wales-footage-detail-sparks-furore-online-as-blatant-lie-exposed-in-netflixs-harry-meghan-trailer--c-9073241

I saw that from the trailer which I said.

Yes I think that is almost worth another thread.

I’m fascinated as to why certain posters seem to take any tiny negative criticism of the monarchy, or member of the RF, or the way the institution functions, as almost a personal affront.

Is it fear of change? Or some form of personal pride or status that is threatened? Some sort of investment in the status quo that is perceived as being under attack?

I remember seeing the same attitude on the Brexit threads. Any poster that dared to criticise any aspect of the UK was told to “go and live abroad then”! 😆. It wasn’t even worthy of an undergraduate level of debate.

I don’t understand why republicans and monarchists alike can’t step back and have a civil discussion about the issues in hand? However strongly they feel about the issues. I happen to be a Republican but I can forget my own preferences and acknowledge good and bad points on each side.

The particular posters I am referring to can’t seem to step back and look at the issues objectively or dispassionately.

So was it ok to use that footage?

I have only seen the picture, I would have to see the trailer again and the footage, no idea how long it lasted, I only know I didn't notice it at the time.

In answer to your question, no probably not.

Just finished everything for today and came on to the thread again.

I think I agree with poppysockies comment at 1943. The original comment doesn’t need repeating. If he had ever said that I’d accept it. But he hasn’t and to suggest he’d be happy is all shades of wrong.

As for your post Frobisher? I agree. It does need a separate thread. Or several of them.

You can have the most innocuous thread about something Royal and you get people coming onto it to describe you pulling forelocks, prostrating yourself, kissing arses, whatever.

There is an interesting argument for both sides to be had but each thread which is even vaguely happy about anything royal attracts that mindset. And you get idiotic comments, snark or bloody eyeroll emojis.

I don’t go on Republican threads insulting anyone.

It isn’t about getting upset about negativity or the fear of change. It gets snidey each time and folk - rightly or wrongly - dig in.

As I said, I don’t have a pop at people for hoping for a Republic. I have been accused of the above and more for having my own opinion on certain members of the royal family.

I also see people address themselves as plebs or peasants and can’t think why people would think of themselves in that way. Even if it is meant to just be snidey or funny.

It seems odd to me. We are all important in our way.

Fine of you are a royalist. Fine if you would prefer to be a republican.

Not fine to be a cunt.

I don't know.
Harry should come, prepared to celebrate, participate in family events (with his own family present) in private and speak with generous spirit to his relatives or he should not come at all.
He needs to make amends.

I imagine this trip will be super humiliating for Harry. Possibly he doesn't realise this yet.

I doubt we will barely see him, too much going on with the Coronation, it will be wall to wall coverage out in the capital, horses and processions, seeing dignitaries and HoSs arrive. Gold coaches, tiaras, ginormous diamonds and special oil under canopies.
I think everyone needs to forget 'Ooooh, where is Harry?' and some posters need to get their head round the fact that you might not even catch him on camera much... if at all.

It won't be the slightest bit humiliating. He is attending, that's it really.

I imagine this trip will be super humiliating for Harry. Possibly he doesn't realise this yet.

Yes I’m sure you do sit at home imagining all kinds of scenarios about Harry being shamed or humiliated.

I’m not quite sure how he will be humiliated by attending the Coronation of his father - the Coronation will the prime focus and there will be so much to see and talk about that won’t be remotely related to Harry (as it should be - because the day will be about the King and his coronation).

I think it will be personally humiliating for him because he’s likely to be discreetly snubbed by all and sundry, family and old friends in a very subtle but stinging way.

The good thing is, you won't know, because the day is far bigger than whether Zara smiled at Harry, or some distant cousin frowned at him.

Unfortunately because of Harry’s behaviour, writing books, spreading muck and complaining about the institution and various individuals in the family publicly over months and years, many people watching will invariably be looking closely for the signs of unease when Harry appears. He’s brought that on himself.

One of my dc’s schoolmates is making an appearance in the ceremony so that will likely be the main focus in our household!

Across two posts you’re imagining all this? How weird to spend your morning hoping and wishing for someone to be alone, unliked and isolated. It’s so weird to be so deeply invested in wanting someone else to be treated badly.

I don't think that the Coronation will be about that. People seem to want it to be, someone even hoping that the commentary would be all about Meghan! It won't. It's a big state occasion, bigger than the Sussexes and any family fall outs. I watched coverage of the Jubilee and HM funeral, it was all very dignified, comments on attendees were just to identify them. I think some people have wishful thinking about this.

many people watching will invariably be looking closely for the signs of unease when Harry appears

I think you need to prepare yourself for the fact you will barely see him. It's not like they are setting up a camera to livestream Harry's arrival in church, his discomfort.... the day isn't about him, but you seem to want to make it so!

Sometimes I just wonder what goes through people's heads, I honestly do.

In a nutshell, @ArcaneWireless . I don't know why people get so personal and I dislike the "peasant" comments. It seems impossible at times to have a reasonable debate without it descending to personal abuse, which is depressing.
I do wonder how these years will be looked back on

I agree, @Roussette , as per my comment just above yours. Some people want it to be all about one issue. Someone on another thread saying they'd have a drinking game every time Meghan was mentioned. I would wager that they'd remain sober.

Given the controversy surrounding Spare & the lengthy discussion about the recent leaks of Meghan’s ‘racism’ letters to Charles in the Telegraph, it’s hardly a stretch to imagine that many will be watching his attendance with curiosity. Just this week he has breached his brother’s privacy yet again in court. Harry’s own behaviour has made him deeply unpopular and I suspect few others will be feeling as conciliatory towards him as his dad.

Absolutely. But what I find incredibly weird is the fact this is often very pro Royal Family posters who are gleefully dying to see Harry uncomfortable at the Coronation. I presume they really are not Royalists, and they want booing and cameras focussed on him, and basically not wanting the pomp and ceremony, but wanting the Coronation spoilt by Harry beng there.

I don't know what they're going to do when they catch 3 seconds of footage of the back of him and that's it! They're going to be terribly disappointed. And sober with no mention of Meghan.

Ahhh... so you want the Coronation to just be about him and his discomfort, got it!

It’s so odd isn’t it