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Why is Harry coming to the coronation at all?

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maranella · 24/04/2023 16:45

He's apparently not going to see his father and he's just flying in an out, leaving immediately after the ceremony to rush back to California. I know it's nice to be at your kid's birthday party, but FFS this is his father's coronation, a day he's been waiting for his whole life. So Harry is flying all the way over here, no doubt burning up the planet on a fucking private jet, and all for what? To be seen to be there? What for? What a waste of time. If he's not even going to celebrate with his family I don't know why he doesn't just stay in California, since that's clearly where he'd rather be. I don't understand why he's coming at all.

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derxa · 25/04/2023 19:59

Roussette · 25/04/2023 19:45

Yes, we are only outsiders. And I'm not sure I'd want to be coming to a country that has a National newspaper put out 44 articles about mostly me (and my husband) in a 24 hour period ... all unpleasant. That was about 10 days ago when I'd barely been seen for months.

If that were me, I wouldn't dream of coming. And my MH would be rock bottom to be honest, and I'd rather cuddle my children and stay at home.

Yes, she isn't perfect, yes she hasn't helped herself at times. But no-one deserves that sort of vile media.

But who reads the Express drivel. I should hope Meghan doesn't. Twitter is the real cesspit.

Roussette · 25/04/2023 19:59

Spot on @skullbabe

And her smile. Or not a smile. Or smirk. Or grin. Or whatever

Roussette · 25/04/2023 20:00

derxa · 25/04/2023 19:59

But who reads the Express drivel. I should hope Meghan doesn't. Twitter is the real cesspit.

Sadly a lot of people read it. Clickbait

Sudeko · 25/04/2023 20:02

Interesting similar situation on AIBU: suspected racist BIL plans second wedding on date of baby's first birthday:
Family member has planned 2nd wedding to coincide with our baby's 1st birthday.
I am now wondering whether it is a thing.

custardbear · 25/04/2023 20:15

Roussette · 25/04/2023 19:45

Yes, we are only outsiders. And I'm not sure I'd want to be coming to a country that has a National newspaper put out 44 articles about mostly me (and my husband) in a 24 hour period ... all unpleasant. That was about 10 days ago when I'd barely been seen for months.

If that were me, I wouldn't dream of coming. And my MH would be rock bottom to be honest, and I'd rather cuddle my children and stay at home.

Yes, she isn't perfect, yes she hasn't helped herself at times. But no-one deserves that sort of vile media.

The maelstrom is all created by themselves and their actions

Roussette · 25/04/2023 20:18

custardbear · 25/04/2023 20:15

The maelstrom is all created by themselves and their actions

So she deserves all of that? Even when there was that many articles when she hadn't been seen for months?

I strongly disagree with you. No-one, (except mass murderers or evil people) deserves that.

custardbear · 25/04/2023 20:21

Roussette · 25/04/2023 19:59

Spot on @skullbabe

And her smile. Or not a smile. Or smirk. Or grin. Or whatever

Or her piss-taking curtesy

Roussette · 25/04/2023 20:22

We don't agree. Let's leave it at that.

MamoruHisaishi · 25/04/2023 21:04

4plusthehound · 25/04/2023 13:17

I'm afraid I don't accept the Mirror or an entertainment site in Australia as fact checked news or proof of anything.

Sorry I just can't.

If I accept in this case then I have to in all claims they make, and obviously that would be naive and foolish.

So you won't accept the article even if it cites named sources because it’s the Mirror? So it's much better to accept Harry’s version of events despite his history of inconsistency and outright lies I guess?

michaelmacrae · 25/04/2023 21:05

Meghan's curtsey at the Queen's funeral was fabulous.

Throwncrumbs · 25/04/2023 21:17

Got to have something to put in his next book, that could be a reason!

MamoruHisaishi · 25/04/2023 21:29

4plusthehound · 25/04/2023 13:33

he would never have released the book or spilled private info about his family.

Do you hold King Charles to the same standard? He wrote his book about his emotionally frozen father and mother, and spilled a lot of private info about his family.

He would have made an effort to reach out to his family privately instead.

Apparently he* did. *

I also remember that harry said he wanted his brother and dad to meet with him to address his allegations against them before he could consider going to the coronation. Since that didn't happen, why is he still going?

How do you know? Reveal thyself!

The same institution that he blames for his genetic pain and for nearly causing his wife to kill herself.

From my reading of the book he does not blame palace bureaucracy for genetic pain. Rather, he holds them to account for using him, and later his wife, as cannon fodder in order to protect KC, PoW, and QC.
He does claim that their isolation in dealing with the tidal waves of daily tabloid attacks on his wife contributed to her suicide ideation.

All points seem reasonable.

Do you hold King Charles to the same standard? He wrote his book about his emotionally frozen father and mother, and spilled a lot of private info about his family.

Yes I do, I have mentioned elsewhere that what Charles and Diana did when they publicly leaked against each other was damaging to their kids. But Harry has not only targeted Prince Charles, he's also targeted his own brother and even sister in law, both of whom never said a word against him or Meghan publically. But he's happy to drag them in the mud and publicly humiliate them just because he resents his brother being born first. Don't tell me that mentioning his brother’s fading resemblance to his mother, his balding head and his private parts weren't meant to be anything other than a way to humiliate William. Even in this recent court case, he has once again dragged William into it, and he's now also accusing his dad too. Does that show any love at all for his family?

How do you know? Reveal thyself!

How do I know? Because Harry himself hasn't leaked it that a reconciliation did happen. He's been leaking about his family via his book, documentary, interviews and now court case, why wouldn't he leak this info as well?

From my reading of the book he does not blame palace bureaucracy for genetic pain. Rather, he holds them to account for using him, and later his wife, as cannon fodder in order to protect KC, PoW, and QC.
He does claim that their isolation in dealing with the tidal waves of daily tabloid attacks on his wife contributed to her suicide ideation.

And he cites them all without any evidence whatsoever. Harry has admitted himself that his own recollection may vary, has been proven to have either lied/mislead/contradicted himself in his previous interviews, book etc. And I'm supposed to believe him? Also what you wrote doesn't take away the fact that him going to the coronation makes him a hypocrite and a man without principles. If Harry truly held the palace/institution to account he would never have continued to tie himself and his children to the monarchy via titles and attendance to the coronation. And please, no Harry isn't going because he wants to show support for his dad. Not after this new attack on his dad via this recent court case.

MamoruHisaishi · 25/04/2023 21:42

4plusthehound · 25/04/2023 13:38

As the poster pointed out - the article itself says the claim is untrue.

Why repeat ad nauseam something so awful without proof.

If it were about your brother, husband, son, cousin, friend, and someone like you kept that untruth on repeat?

Play fair no?

No, you misread the the article and you clearly misread my statement. I never claimed that Harry was on drugs or that he deliberately avoided the drug test.

I wrote that he was ALLOWED to leave the army base when no one else was at that time when they were conducting drug testing.

I wrote that the rules were bent for him because he was royalty, and that by doing so, it doesn't show him as being a team player because he gets special treatment unlike the others.

I basically summarized what was in the article so not sure why you and the other poster are saying something else completely different?

michaelmacrae · 25/04/2023 21:43

Harry doesn't leak, he states outright.

The RF leak. And plant. And do dodgy corrupt deals taking payouts, like we're seeing coming to light right now.

MamoruHisaishi · 25/04/2023 21:47

MamoruHisaishi · 25/04/2023 21:42

No, you misread the the article and you clearly misread my statement. I never claimed that Harry was on drugs or that he deliberately avoided the drug test.

I wrote that he was ALLOWED to leave the army base when no one else was at that time when they were conducting drug testing.

I wrote that the rules were bent for him because he was royalty, and that by doing so, it doesn't show him as being a team player because he gets special treatment unlike the others.

I basically summarized what was in the article so not sure why you and the other poster are saying something else completely different?

Why repeat ad nauseam something so awful without proof.

If it were about your brother, husband, son, cousin, friend, and someone like you kept that untruth on repeat?

Play fair no?

The article mentions names of people who worked with Harry at the time, who verified that the incident did occur, how is that not enough proof? Unless you're claiming they're lying too?

Again, how do you know this is untrue when his own colleagues have gone on the record that the incident did occur?

Play fair? Shouldn't this be directed at Harry? He's made numerous accusations against his own brother, father and sister in law (without any proof whatsoever), oh and he's also dragged his brother’s kids into his fight by claiming that he's trying to save/protect them. Is that being fair to his family?

Roussette · 25/04/2023 21:50

How do I know? Because Harry himself hasn't leaked it that a reconciliation did happen. He's been leaking about his family via his book, documentary, interviews and now court case, why wouldn't he leak this info as well?
That's hardly a good reason to assume that then.
He hasn't leaked it so it's true, nonsense!

Of course he should be at the Coronation. It's his father. Dont look at him if you don't like

Not after this new attack on his dad via this recent court case
It's part of his legal case and down to his lawyers

Morestrangerthings · 25/04/2023 21:51

MamoruHisaishi · 25/04/2023 12:27

And your point is? Did I even mention he was taking drugs or that he deliberately avoided the drug test?

This is my original comment which the other poster disputed:

As for being in the army, there was a news report that came out that he was allowed to leave his army base when no one else was allowed to as they were conducting drug testing. Harry got special treatment even in the army, the rules were bent coz he was royalty. That's not what I would consider being a team player.

Wasn't it you Mamoru, who linked to the 'prince harry leaves army base before drug tests' headed news article?

If you didn't say it, your posted link implied it, in my opinion.

Morestrangerthings · 25/04/2023 22:04

Bluegrass · 25/04/2023 12:33

Is this a space to be angry about Harry attending that Coronation we were going to be angry with him about for not attending?

[grabs flaming torch and pitchfork]

😂 Exactly Bluegrass.

Frobisherslament · 25/04/2023 22:56

Roussette · 25/04/2023 19:45

Yes, we are only outsiders. And I'm not sure I'd want to be coming to a country that has a National newspaper put out 44 articles about mostly me (and my husband) in a 24 hour period ... all unpleasant. That was about 10 days ago when I'd barely been seen for months.

If that were me, I wouldn't dream of coming. And my MH would be rock bottom to be honest, and I'd rather cuddle my children and stay at home.

Yes, she isn't perfect, yes she hasn't helped herself at times. But no-one deserves that sort of vile media.

Absolutely Roussette. All these people criticising Meghan for not coming and in the same breath saying hateful things about her. Well, duh!

I happen to think that Harry coming and Meghan staying at home with the children is a good compromise. If they both attended it would be a massive distraction during the ceremony. And if Harry had been really out to destroy all ties, he could have chosen to release his book to coincide with the coronation, but he didn't.

Frobisherslament · 25/04/2023 23:09

Sudeko · 25/04/2023 18:40

It'll give him something useful to do. It is probably really boring for him out there. He is not a cool, internationally minded guy. He is so painfully posh British to the point of it being a handicap or basis for jokes out there. I doubt he feels like he fits in even if he says he feels home.

What are you talking about? He may be posh British, which he can't help, but he handles himself in public very well in a down-to-earth relatable way, he's travelled widely, he's served abroad in the army, and travels constantly for the Invictus games and his wildlife and charity work in Africa. Does it make you feel better to write negative stuff about others?

MamoruHisaishi · 25/04/2023 23:15

4plusthehound · 25/04/2023 13:50

publicly humiliate
The book I read had no public humiliating.

Yes Charles released a book, but Harry has also done interviews and a documentary accusing his family of abuse against him and Meghan.
Charles also did interviews accusing his family of extreme emotional neglect.

He and Meghan also remained silent when the press and the public were accusing his family of racism
They did not accuse the family of racisim.

There is not point in you or me speculating what we would or wouldn't do in this situation. It is such a unique status to have in life and such a uique way to live that we cannot really imagine it. Just the bananas notion of not hugging your grandmother EVER. A woman with whom you have a close personal relationship. A woman who looked after your 10 year old self when your mother died. Never, ever a hug.

They are different with a capital D.

So the conversation below never happened did it?

There [were] conversations with Harry about how dark your baby is going to be and what that would mean or look like," she said.
Oprah followed up: "They were concerned that if he were too brown that that would be a problem?" Markle responded, "I wasn't able to follow up. If that's the assumption you're making...that would be a safe one."
Markle confirmed that Harry had spoken to a close family member on the subject of their future child's skin color, but opted not to share names, as it would be too "damaging" for the individual. Later, Harry told Oprah that he would "never" share the details of that exchange, but did say it happened "early on" in his relationship with Markle.

Okay, let me clarify, they didn't outright say their family was racist, they just implied it and didn't even try to correct it when the whole world was accusing the family was racist during the time that Harry’s grandfather was dying. They also accepted an award for standing up against racism in the royal family, only to acknowledge years later that it wasn't a malicious comment and it was merely unconscious bias, instead of actual racism. Is that any better?

MamoruHisaishi · 25/04/2023 23:22

MoChridhe · 25/04/2023 14:37

Willy has been shown up for the slimy disgusting hypocrite that he is. All the time discouraging Harry from suing while accepting large sums of cash from Murdoch. Did he donate the money to charity? Don’t think so.

Wow that was your take away? For Harry to reveal such personal info like this shows that he is the one who is the nasty spiteful hypocrite (not that I didn't already know it). He had NO right to reveal information that had nothing to do with him. Prince William had every right to accept a cash settlement if he wished to do so and if he wanted to avoid a public court case. It’s disgusting how own privacy was invaded, not just by the media but also by his own brother. Harry accuses his family of leaking against him (without even any proof!), yet he reveals his brother’s private information to the public? So so gross. And since when did William discourage Harry from suing? Because Harry the liar said so? And funny you accuse William of accepting money from Murdoch, when Harry is doing exactly the same via this lawsuit.

ArcaneWireless · 25/04/2023 23:34

I have to agree that that was not Harry’s information to divulge.

If someone wants to lay their life open for others then that is their choice.

You don’t get to make that choice for other people.

It isn’t right.

MamoruHisaishi · 25/04/2023 23:39

Frobisherslament · 25/04/2023 15:36

Your verifiable sources come from a publication titled "celebrity life" and the Daily Mirror?

And if people were crying at their desks in BP, KP or CH, that could be for any number of reasons, one being "how am I going to afford to pay the gas bill on this pittance of a wage?"

And as far as I follow these things, Meghan has won the defamation suit against her half sister, which was thrown out by the judge, and won the case against the Mail about invasion of privacy, so her "proof" has actually been verified in court which is a bit of a higher standard than tacky newspapers or magazines.

So your only rebuttal is the article is from the mirror and therefore not believable despite actual names of people who knew Harry being cited/quoted?

And no, Harry blamed the staff crying due to the pressure of having to respond to the media constantly on behalf of Harry and Meghan. As both Harry and Meghan were their bosses, it was on them to find a way to lessen the pressure and workload of their staff. But of course it wasn't fault, it's never their fault, it was either the media or the palace who were to blame. Of course.

And who said anything about the defamation case between Meghan and her sister? It was proven that Meghan did lie in court when she made a statement to the court via her lawyer that she had nothing to do with the finding freedom book, only for correspondence to later come out directly contradicting her statement. She was forced to apologise for ‘forgetting’ about it.

MamoruHisaishi · 25/04/2023 23:45

Novella4 · 25/04/2023 16:34

Why the secrecy?

Not suggesting Willaim has to reveal what the tapes uncovered ( clearly it wasn't ' did you pay the gas bill?') but where is the leadership ?
Not very'kingly' is it ?

Lol of course - it's so wrong and awful that Harry’s privacy was invaded and leaked against his will, but evil William is so unkingly for not wanting his private information to be discussed in a public court case.

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