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Kate's 'resentment' : Princess was denied a final goodbye with the Queen

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RYGO · 17/04/2023 12:53

"Kate's 'resentment' : Princess was denied a final goodbye with the Queen because she had to stay away from Balmoral to ensure Harry's wife couldn't come, royal author claims"

Kate 'resents' not having final moment to say goodbye to Queen | Daily Mail Online

According to book from Robert Jobson. Charles doesn't come of good in this book....

Kate 'resents' not having final moment to say goodbye to Queen

Kate, 41, remained in Windsor to look after her children while the immediate family headed to be at the late monarch's bedside - says Robert Jobson in new book, Our King.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11981061/Kate-resents-not-having-final-moment-say-goodbye-Queen.html

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mixedrecycling · 19/04/2023 21:29

orangedalmatian · 19/04/2023 21:26

@mixedrecycling The cavalry have arrived so I'm off to bed. Ice dance class tomorrow 😊⛸️⛸️

Indeed! Board meeting tomorrow so need to be firing on al cylinders. Good night!

orangedalmatian · 19/04/2023 21:39

My username has a mind of it's own, and keeps switching back and forth so I've reported it to MNHQ

Roussette · 19/04/2023 21:41

orangedalmatian · 19/04/2023 21:39

My username has a mind of it's own, and keeps switching back and forth so I've reported it to MNHQ

Oh, sympathies for that. Very annoying I can imagine.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 19/04/2023 21:41

Love the however's and buts to justify Andrews position. All because he didn't sexually exploit another member of the RF......just poor girls.

Whaeanui · 19/04/2023 21:44

orangedalmatian · 19/04/2023 21:18

What an incredibly strange thing to suggest that there is a hierarchy of evil and sexual exploitation comes top?
Domestic Murder, torture, war crimes, the holocaust?

I'm glad I have a more measured approach to the royal family.

They're not perfect, but neither are a lot of families.

Is that directed at me? I’m not the one making crass comparisons.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 20/04/2023 08:53

PreparationPreparationPrep · 19/04/2023 21:41

Love the however's and buts to justify Andrews position. All because he didn't sexually exploit another member of the RF......just poor girls.

So, to sum up the sentiment here:

Andrew is preferable to Harry and Meghan even though he associated with a convicted sex offender and another who died awaiting trail (and saw him while he was on bail, knowing was he was accused of) but Harry and Meghan are worse than Andrew because they told their own story after years and years of being lied about, including through underhand briefings from members of Harry's family.

And it's okay because the victims of the sexual exploitation by Maxwell and Epstein are not members of the Royal Family.

Got it.

Samcro · 20/04/2023 09:01

MrsMaxDeWinter · 20/04/2023 08:53

So, to sum up the sentiment here:

Andrew is preferable to Harry and Meghan even though he associated with a convicted sex offender and another who died awaiting trail (and saw him while he was on bail, knowing was he was accused of) but Harry and Meghan are worse than Andrew because they told their own story after years and years of being lied about, including through underhand briefings from members of Harry's family.

And it's okay because the victims of the sexual exploitation by Maxwell and Epstein are not members of the Royal Family.

Got it.

you seem to be right sadly

Morestrangerthings · 20/04/2023 09:29

mixedrecycling · 19/04/2023 11:30

Yes, one source.

That doesn't mean that source should be accepted as 100% objectively true.

If you take a certain historical happening, it’s often easy enough to pinpoint when it happened, but the why is always going to be somewhat subjective. That’s why as new sources are found, or old sources re-examined, how we understand what happened, and why it happened, changes. It also changes through the prism of current social norms and cultural beliefs. (Despite what many of us older mumsnetters were led to believe in history classes when we learned by rote what happened, when it happened and who it happened to, and that was that lol)

I haven’t read Harry’s memoir but, say William was to write one, (his father and the brother have, so not impossible), and wrote about some of the same things - for example, the dog bowl incident. What William would recall would likely differ from Harry’s recollection but neither would be wrong - because their memories are equally valid. And that is one thing that makes history interesting to me. There is rarely (never?) one single truth of two people’s past experience. Often, recall can be quite disparate, sometimes differences in recollection are minor. Two people can observe exactly the same thing and recall it differently - police know this well. We can only get at an approximate truth. As Harry and William were the only two arguing in the kitchen there can never be a third account. (If there was a third account then likely it would be different again - more so, or less so). Both stories would be true. Harry’s is true to him. Williams would be true to him. From what I’ve been told Harry did say this book was ‘his truth’. And that is exactly right. Harry also said his memory of his child/teen years is not great, and that it’s a result of trauma of his mother’s death. He has been honest in this.

I’m not sure about newspaper accounts. In history the most truthful stuff was often found in the back pages in the advertisements. Adverts would often indicate health concerns of the time, for example, say, when an std was raging. We’d see adverts for tinctures and drafts - couched in coded language. newspapers were good secondary sources (but also always questionable) but I think what is written now in tabloids, and even in more serious papers that are leaning towards tabloid/ish reporting at times to sell papers, are more open to questioning than ever.

Samcro · 20/04/2023 09:42

that is true. I know that my brother mis remembers things that happened or paints it like he was the victim. also his friends would never believe I was not always in the wrong.

orangedalmatian · 20/04/2023 09:42

So much twisting of peoples words here.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 20/04/2023 09:54

MrsMaxDeWinter
So, to sum up the sentiment here:

Andrew is preferable to Harry and Meghan even though he associated with a convicted sex offender and another who died awaiting trail (and saw him while he was on bail, knowing was he was accused of) but Harry and Meghan are worse than Andrew because they told their own story after years and years of being lied about, including through underhand briefings from members of Harry's family.

And it's okay because the victims of the sexual exploitation by Maxwell and Epstein are not members of the Royal Family.

Got it.

Well summarised, adding Rousette's valid point that's on any other thread not related to H&M same posters would give a very different view.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 20/04/2023 10:04

Morestrangerthings · 20/04/2023 09:29

If you take a certain historical happening, it’s often easy enough to pinpoint when it happened, but the why is always going to be somewhat subjective. That’s why as new sources are found, or old sources re-examined, how we understand what happened, and why it happened, changes. It also changes through the prism of current social norms and cultural beliefs. (Despite what many of us older mumsnetters were led to believe in history classes when we learned by rote what happened, when it happened and who it happened to, and that was that lol)

I haven’t read Harry’s memoir but, say William was to write one, (his father and the brother have, so not impossible), and wrote about some of the same things - for example, the dog bowl incident. What William would recall would likely differ from Harry’s recollection but neither would be wrong - because their memories are equally valid. And that is one thing that makes history interesting to me. There is rarely (never?) one single truth of two people’s past experience. Often, recall can be quite disparate, sometimes differences in recollection are minor. Two people can observe exactly the same thing and recall it differently - police know this well. We can only get at an approximate truth. As Harry and William were the only two arguing in the kitchen there can never be a third account. (If there was a third account then likely it would be different again - more so, or less so). Both stories would be true. Harry’s is true to him. Williams would be true to him. From what I’ve been told Harry did say this book was ‘his truth’. And that is exactly right. Harry also said his memory of his child/teen years is not great, and that it’s a result of trauma of his mother’s death. He has been honest in this.

I’m not sure about newspaper accounts. In history the most truthful stuff was often found in the back pages in the advertisements. Adverts would often indicate health concerns of the time, for example, say, when an std was raging. We’d see adverts for tinctures and drafts - couched in coded language. newspapers were good secondary sources (but also always questionable) but I think what is written now in tabloids, and even in more serious papers that are leaning towards tabloid/ish reporting at times to sell papers, are more open to questioning than ever.

Such a great post. In one country I lived in, it was normal to have newspaper headlines trumpeting how well the economy was doing, how successful the government was at taming inflation.

Only the adverts told the full story, bread selling for 100,000 X, houses for 3 billion X. And the court reports, full of stories of people killing each other over debts that would be the equivalent of 2 pounds.

And back to SPARE: I watched a pretty decent panel with some royal reporters, and one, Valentine Low, said Harry's book was an unprecedented gift because it revealed so much that reporters could only dream of getting.

I always think of poor Nanny Whatsername, who wrote a fairly anodyne book about how Elizabeth and Margaret were raised. I hope she is sitting on a comfy chair somewhere, having a good laugh at how the world has changed!

You really should read SPARE by the way, it's really good. And a very fast read.

Sudeko · 20/04/2023 10:13

orangedalmatian · 20/04/2023 09:42

So much twisting of peoples words here.

"Here's an apple. Look! The family eats apples"
"Look at this pie! What about the pie! Just LOOK. You are bloody disgusting for not saying that they should be eating eat pies rather than apples"
"But I was only talking about the family eating apples. I never said anything about pies at all. I don't know why the family eats apples. I don't know whether or not the family eats pies or whether they prefer pies over apples or apples over pies!"

orangedalmatian · 20/04/2023 10:48

As someone I prefer not to engage with has decided to twist my words yet again I have copied and pasted what I actually said. Not the lie

I said that both Doria and Thomas had made mistakes. Doria appeared to be absent for a big chunk of her childhood living in another state, while Thomas paid private schooling and was very loving towards her. I then said, now Thomas is being a total dick about everything, and Doria has stepped up and become a supportive mother and grandmother. Apparently thats racist.

This post was categorically not racist and was not deleted. So this isn't true.

orangedalmatian · 20/04/2023 11:29

@Sudeko God yes. Would start an argument in an empty room

MrsMaxDeWinter · 20/04/2023 11:37

orangedalmatian · 20/04/2023 10:48

As someone I prefer not to engage with has decided to twist my words yet again I have copied and pasted what I actually said. Not the lie

I said that both Doria and Thomas had made mistakes. Doria appeared to be absent for a big chunk of her childhood living in another state, while Thomas paid private schooling and was very loving towards her. I then said, now Thomas is being a total dick about everything, and Doria has stepped up and become a supportive mother and grandmother. Apparently thats racist.

This post was categorically not racist and was not deleted. So this isn't true.

The post I referred to was made by @purpledalmation

Unless you are the same poster @orangedalmatian ?

The post by @purpledalmation did not talk about Thomas Markle being a "total dick". The post was positive about Thomas and negative about Doria, wrongly asserting that she "disappeared" and was not in her daughter's life and that Meghan had never spoken about her

All untrue. All demonstrated to be untrue. And the racist connotations of the post pointed out then.

LadyMuckingabout · 20/04/2023 11:57

I find the “my truth” quite interesting. Have some posters never read an unreliable narrator book?

The other day in the Oxfam bookshop I spied an autobiography by a former colleague. I thumbed through and found they had devoted half a page to this workplace, with an unrecognisable account of their time there Hmm

Roussette · 20/04/2023 12:01

orangedalmatian · 20/04/2023 09:42

So much twisting of peoples words here.

Where? People are trying to have a decent conversation, back and forth, all polite, and you keep throwing this in out the blue. Why?

@Morestrangerthings
Great post. Interestingly, I am listening to a podcast at the moment about witness statements with experts explaining how recollections (!) can vary after the event, and how it is important to take the first given statement as more factual than after the event and it reaches court. The variation between the two can be so different.
So I agree Harry will have one version, William will have another (dog bowl incident) and in between will probably lie the facts

Whaeanui · 20/04/2023 12:02

@MrsMaxDeWinter anyone on that thread watching knows exactly what was said and that your recollection is accurate. It’s very revealing to me when people say negative things ( often based on untruths ) about Doria and dismiss or ignore what we know Thomas has done publicly- threaten & blackmail.

Roussette · 20/04/2023 12:04

Whaeanui · 20/04/2023 12:02

@MrsMaxDeWinter anyone on that thread watching knows exactly what was said and that your recollection is accurate. It’s very revealing to me when people say negative things ( often based on untruths ) about Doria and dismiss or ignore what we know Thomas has done publicly- threaten & blackmail.

Yes.

I was on that thread and I followed it closely. #

After all Doria was called 'the sainted Doria' in a very sneery way and that kicked off the conversation about it.
She has behaved impeccably, and is a graceful lady quite obviously much loved by her daughter and vice versa, no idea what the problem is....

MrsMaxDeWinter · 20/04/2023 12:34

Roussette · 20/04/2023 12:04

Yes.

I was on that thread and I followed it closely. #

After all Doria was called 'the sainted Doria' in a very sneery way and that kicked off the conversation about it.
She has behaved impeccably, and is a graceful lady quite obviously much loved by her daughter and vice versa, no idea what the problem is....

Thank you and @Whaeanui

It was indeed the sneering "sainted Doria" post that kicked it all off.

I know that recollections may indeed vary, but I did not realised that recollections could be this butchered!

In lighter news, have you read Marina Hyde's latest? Off to post it now on the press thread.

It's a delight!

Roussette · 20/04/2023 12:35

Oh hahaha... must look at it. She has my sort of humour

vera99 · 20/04/2023 12:56

Thanks for the tip.....one can imagine the atmosphere in BP as the valet takes the neatly ironed crisp newspapers on a silver commemorative newspaper platter to HM The King along with his perfectly brewed and temperature checked Duchy Organic Chamomile and Ginseng herbal infusion, and he spies the Guardian tucked away discretely at the bottom of the perfectly arranged pile. "All the bloody time, they never bloody let up and it's only 3 weeks to go. Camilla it's far too early for drinkies as well.."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/18/britain-coronation-sussexes-mugs-quiche-articles-california

How is Britain rising to this inspiring coronation moment? By obsessing about the Sussexes again | Marina Hyde

Nothing says ‘monumental’ like commemorative mugs, a tarragon quiche and 4,000 articles about two California residents, says Guardian columnist Marina Hyde

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/18/britain-coronation-sussexes-mugs-quiche-articles-california

PreparationPreparationPrep · 20/04/2023 13:00

🤣 and that's just the headline - I m about to read it !

Forsythiaforest234 · 20/04/2023 13:09

😀@ the Gardian article!!

“It feels somehow apt that the official dish selected by King Charles is a quiche, given quiches are often wet and almost always disappointing.”

Marina Hyde at her best!

King Charles and Camilla choose coronation quiche as signature dish

Recipe follows coronation chicken and platinum pudding as suggested centrepiece for parties and events

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/17/king-charles-camilla-coronation-quiche-signature-dish

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