Page 33 | Harry but not Meghan

lipstickwoman · 2023-04-12T14:26:12+00:00

No surprise he's coming on his own to the coronation.

CathyorClaire · 13/04/2023 20:34

These are the same daughters....who have been lobbying for their father to be given official royal roles again

TBF the entire family seem to be conniving in sliding the vile boor centre stage yet under the radar.

He was seen on a shooting jolly with the sainted Anne and Edward in January and headed up the gang striding into church alongside said sainted sister just this last weekend. And that's on top of his own attempts at opportunistically grabbing the limelight PR rehab starting with the packing of cupcakes for NHS workers during lockdown.

Two fingers to the peasants just like Mummy.

Rhondaa · 13/04/2023 20:36

Viviennemary · 13/04/2023 20:28

They were absolutely horrible about Fergie. Called her the Duchess of Pork when she put on a bit of weight. And they were not nice about Carole Middleton either.

The sneering about the Middletons was awful. They did the best thing by not responding, not dignifying all the crap with media interviews and oversharing.

They have always done the right thing by rising above it. I didn't see Harry in the media saying stop slagging off Carole yet he thinks everyone else should have ran to the gossipy media on his behalf.

purpledalmation · 13/04/2023 20:38

@LindorDoubleChoc I agree, the press have always been utter bastards to so many people. Like vultures. I was a teenager when Diana was being hounded every day so it didn't really register with me, but I remember fergie being ripped to shreds for being an overweight fashion disaster.

Harry always wanted out of the royal family, and Meghan did him a huge favour in getting him out. However it's how they've conducted themselves and the lies and distortions, that have done them far more harm than the press ever could. Why they didn't just go off, get a nice house somewhere, raise their kids and their chickens quietly and privately, I'll never know.

wordler · 13/04/2023 20:39

LindorDoubleChoc · 13/04/2023 20:23

@Nono22972 - I think you are overthinking it all. The Royal Family which includes Harry and Meghan are public figures. They will attract a lot of media attention. Some of it will be fair and balanced, some of it will not.

I sincerely doubt all members of the RF love being under the follow spot all the time in return for the financial privileges they have. I bet all of them would love a day off sometimes.

But the fourth estate is a funny old thing. No paper, or nowadays, no media outlet, really aligns exactly with what any one individual might think about the world. I do not accept that Harry and Meghan have been treated to incomparably prejudiced press reports because I am old enough to have been an adult when Diana, Sarah F, Kate, Camilla and everyone else came on the scene. It was all the same.

I don't know what can be done about the popular press. But it's not new.

What is new is the online comment sections in the press / and the rise of social media platforms (which many people seem to treat as a news delivery platform) and the tabloids doing "royal x under fire for [insert terrible thing]" stories when what they've done is taken a bunch of Twitter opinions from random anonymous people and stuck them altogether in a story - thrown in a 'royal source' comment and then that generates more comments in the comments section.

The level of vitriol leveled at H&M and W&K on Twitter is astounding. And both 'sides' have equally appalling 'fans'.

I think when Meghan mentioned in The Cut interview that she didn't see why she had to deliver photos of her child to people calling her the N word, lots of people made the assumption she was talking about the royal reporters - who have of course never done that, but I think she was talking about the readers of the newspapers who do post horribly racist things about her on social media not the reporters.

The Sussex Squad are often horrible too - joking about the Wales' children dying or making up terrible hashtags targetting Kate and William.

CathyorClaire · 13/04/2023 20:40

It doesn't need to be a deep curtsy. Quick bob is fine.

Doesn't need to be anything.

Such antiquated bollocks.

Viviennemary · 13/04/2023 20:44

I think Harry has talked himself into thinking he wanted out. But did he really. He wants the priviledges but not the boring duties onlynthe fun ones. . Hence the half in half out request. Who knows what will happen in the future but personally I can't see him staying in the USA long term.

StormzyinaTCup · 13/04/2023 20:46

Such antiquated bollocks.
😆

GingerbreadBaking · 13/04/2023 20:46

I don't see Meghan and Harry lasting until death do them part.

purpledalmation · 13/04/2023 20:47

@Janiie Exactly, if Harry and his wife could have had their glitz and glam royal side, with foreign tours, plus their Hollywood lifestyle with showbiz friends hanging off harrys wife's words, there would have been none of this. If they'd been royal prince and princess of the commonwealth (bizarre concept) ditto.

As it was, to fund their lifestyle, they had to sell out harrys family for money. Massive misjudgement in thinking Americans care only about fame and wealth. They really value family more, as we can see from their nosediving popularity. They need to do what they said they would do. Concentrate on their good causes and charities. It doesn't pay as much, but it earns respect.

SenecaFallsRedux · 13/04/2023 20:51

It was all the same.

It was bad, but it was not the same. I'm old enough to remember it, too. It was often vile and almost always sexist, with a heavy dose of misogyny. But it was not racist. Meghan was the prompt that brought the ugly head of racism rearing, in the media and on MN.

purpledalmation · 13/04/2023 20:51

@wordler Couldn't agree more. Social media is horrific. A cesspit of conspiracy theorists, racism and misogyny. I do Facebook and keep it purely friends and family and hobbies. Tried twitter, instagram and TikTok and wanted to put the phone down the toilet. Proper scary. The NRA are terrifying

CathyorClaire · 13/04/2023 20:53

I doubt we will see M in the UK again

Maybe the US won't see Harold either in light of the slightly awkward drugs use admissions.

Obvs unlikely to happen (diplomacy's a wonderful thing) but I can't help holding a tiny light for drama 😮

Whaeanui · 13/04/2023 20:56

It was often vile and almost always sexist, with a heavy dose of misogyny. But it was not racist.

yes, this

Whaeanui · 13/04/2023 20:58

Lots of people known to have done or do drugs, go in and out of America. He hasn’t got convictions so he’s fine. He’s been in and out since the book release already. The drugs he does now are legal in the state they live in.

purpledalmation · 13/04/2023 21:31

It doesn't matter that cannabis is legal in california, it's illegal under federal law and federal law is what governs visa applications. He's admitted having a quiet spliff or two and admitted significant drug use in his life in his book. There won't be repercussions of course, he is after all a privileged Prince.

StartupRepair · 13/04/2023 21:56

I think Harry's life was so protected and cosseted before he met Meghan that he didn't know what was normal and what was weird about it. Combine this with an engagement so rushed that he never met her family and a bride who had worked hard to attain celebrity and expected that stories would always be spun to put her in her best light and you can see why royal life didn't work for her.

Nono22972 · 13/04/2023 22:06

LindorDoubleChoc · 13/04/2023 20:23

@Nono22972 - I think you are overthinking it all. The Royal Family which includes Harry and Meghan are public figures. They will attract a lot of media attention. Some of it will be fair and balanced, some of it will not.

I sincerely doubt all members of the RF love being under the follow spot all the time in return for the financial privileges they have. I bet all of them would love a day off sometimes.

But the fourth estate is a funny old thing. No paper, or nowadays, no media outlet, really aligns exactly with what any one individual might think about the world. I do not accept that Harry and Meghan have been treated to incomparably prejudiced press reports because I am old enough to have been an adult when Diana, Sarah F, Kate, Camilla and everyone else came on the scene. It was all the same.

I don't know what can be done about the popular press. But it's not new.

Sadly, the media needs a target. Kate was that for years but it switched to Meghan at some point. Her coverage was extremely positive at the beginning. I see people saying that the palace never defended her but do other members of the family. The palace rarely defends anyone. Kate was accused of having an eating disorder for years, had trouble getting pregnant, was blamed for a nurse committing suicide,... and the palace stayed silent the whole time.

With Meghan, while she obviously faced some racism (straight out of compton headline, a journalist comparing Archie to a monkey on Twitter [he wad later fired and interrogated by the police]), Meghan only worked 72 days as a royal and the palace released 20 statement denying stories in the press. I don't even remember the palace putting out that many statements in a year and a half for other royals.

I think that the palace then stopped because many of the stories were true. KP even lied twice to protect them. The Blood earrings, gifted by a Saudi prince that allegedly killed a journalist. She even wore them the day after the assassination and KP lied for her, saying that it was a loan.

Also, KP lied saying that one of her staff members left because she moved to another country when it fact she was one of the employees that accused her of bullying. Harry did confirmed the bullying in his book saying that several of their employees were weeping at their desks

Then them getting bashed for taking private jets while preaching about climate change,...

CheeseLouisePlease · 13/04/2023 22:25

I don’t know how much of a career you can have just selling negative stories about yourself. It’s not like you’ve gone through adversity and now have this incredible for-filling life.
Multimillionaire Prince complains about family and now does nothing much in particular but would like more money now please. I don’t know what they are ‘selling’. Their charity seems a bit suss as it is.

Spectre8 · 13/04/2023 23:43

SleightOfMind · 13/04/2023 16:53

I work in the media (never covered a Royal beat so no gossip to impart!) and Harry’s depiction of how the tabloids work has the dismal ring of truth. I would urge everyone to ignore confected family drama and read the relevant passages in his book.

Kensington Palace were openly known to be the source of, e.g., bullying stories and the way Meghan was spoken about by royal reporters was disgraceful.

The couple’s court cases against the tabloid press are of enormously significance. Standing up to DMGT etc is incredibly daunting and they have been made to suffer for it.
Since Leveson 2 was shelved, some news orgs have continued to behave appallingly and possibly illegally, not just towards the rich and famous, but towards bereaved families and other ordinary people who accidentally become newsworthy.

If H&M succeed in holding the UK press to account for this alone, they will have done more for this country than they will ever be given due credit for - the attempt alone is incredibly courageous.

Exactly. I really hope they win. I'm so sick of the way media outlets are behaving, its not helping the country. Whether its doom mongering, fear mongering, or just a pile on. Its even more disgusting that its now no longer famous people who face the torrent of toxic reporting, ordinary people as you say are now targets too.

Its such abusive behaviour we should all be absolutely disgusted about it and be demanding change to.

sleepwouldbenice · 14/04/2023 00:23

purpledalmation · 13/04/2023 20:38

@LindorDoubleChoc I agree, the press have always been utter bastards to so many people. Like vultures. I was a teenager when Diana was being hounded every day so it didn't really register with me, but I remember fergie being ripped to shreds for being an overweight fashion disaster.

Harry always wanted out of the royal family, and Meghan did him a huge favour in getting him out. However it's how they've conducted themselves and the lies and distortions, that have done them far more harm than the press ever could. Why they didn't just go off, get a nice house somewhere, raise their kids and their chickens quietly and privately, I'll never know.

Totally agree
Can completely understand Harry's hatred of the press with Diana ( not a saint but still hounded) and agree that Meghan was treated like fergie. Never saw it much myself as don't read that crap but court cases past and current are enough for me

I cheered for them with court cases and when they left, wished them all the best
But Oprah? Netflix? Bloody book? More?
Maybe if it had just been about them, but it was about their wider family.
Totally lost my respect now

Viviennemary · 14/04/2023 00:24

Apparently, the delay in Harry replying was over the question of where they would be sitting and who would be behind them. That is according to the DM.

Roussette · 14/04/2023 02:42

Viviennemary · 14/04/2023 00:24

Apparently, the delay in Harry replying was over the question of where they would be sitting and who would be behind them. That is according to the DM.

If that is true ,(doubtful, it being the DM) that's a disgusting leak by the Palace. It can ONLY have come from them. If true, why do they have to do this and have this sort of detail picked over by the public?
If untrue, the DM should be ashamed at making up such rubbish

Roussette · 14/04/2023 02:47

@,Nono22972

Meghan only worked 72 days as a royal and the palace released 20 statement denying stories in the press

Really? I remember one statement by Harry asking the Press to lay off, something by William agreeing and that's it. 20 statements put out by the Palace defending Meghan?

SleightOfMind · 14/04/2023 03:14

I can only reiterate that the court case Prince Harry is lending his publicity to is the real issue.
Handholding, curtsies, nail varnish, Kate v Meghan, William v Harry etc are attempts at deflection.
Tomorrow your brother, sister, mother, father, partner or child could die.
The press could decide you look a bit dodgy and lift your Facebook pix.
You would be fair game.

Littleroseseverywhere · 14/04/2023 03:52

Roussette · 14/04/2023 02:42

If that is true ,(doubtful, it being the DM) that's a disgusting leak by the Palace. It can ONLY have come from them. If true, why do they have to do this and have this sort of detail picked over by the public?
If untrue, the DM should be ashamed at making up such rubbish

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Meh, if you think that’s a disgusting leak you should have a read of Harry’s book spare. Least the palace didn’t grubbily ask for money for the revelation 😂

and to be honest, I think it was fairly obvious to everyone rhe delay was fhey were negotiating position, even their mouth piece omid scobie said they wanted to be on the balcony, have Archie mentioned etc When they didn’t get the position they wanted then it became a quick duty visit for harry. So of course where they sat and who next to was going to be part of it, it’s hardly a shocking and surprising revelation.