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Harry but not Meghan

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lipstickwoman · 12/04/2023 15:26

No surprise he's coming on his own to the coronation.

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MarshaBradyo · 13/04/2023 19:17

michaelmacrae · 13/04/2023 18:46

This never fails 😂

Ah poor woman

I’m guessing we could all get a bad shot

Roussette · 13/04/2023 19:18

KillerSandy · 13/04/2023 17:35

Yes but you are a nobody - you are not part of this world.

Don't I know I'm a nobody, I'm reminded of that every time I see all the press about the royals.

You summed it up. We're nobodies

Roussette · 13/04/2023 19:22

wordler · 13/04/2023 18:03

For all we know Roussette might actually BE a member of the royal family lurking here and putting us off the scent with all her anti-royal snark!

As if!

I e been hiding my light under a bushel for maybe 16 years if so!

wordler · 13/04/2023 19:23

Roussette · 13/04/2023 19:22

As if!

I e been hiding my light under a bushel for maybe 16 years if so!

You play the long game - I respect that.

LONG GAME! You are Carole Middleton!

garlicandsapphires · 13/04/2023 19:24

SleightOfMind · 13/04/2023 16:53

I work in the media (never covered a Royal beat so no gossip to impart!) and Harry’s depiction of how the tabloids work has the dismal ring of truth. I would urge everyone to ignore confected family drama and read the relevant passages in his book.

Kensington Palace were openly known to be the source of, e.g., bullying stories and the way Meghan was spoken about by royal reporters was disgraceful.

The couple’s court cases against the tabloid press are of enormously significance. Standing up to DMGT etc is incredibly daunting and they have been made to suffer for it.
Since Leveson 2 was shelved, some news orgs have continued to behave appallingly and possibly illegally, not just towards the rich and famous, but towards bereaved families and other ordinary people who accidentally become newsworthy.

If H&M succeed in holding the UK press to account for this alone, they will have done more for this country than they will ever be given due credit for - the attempt alone is incredibly courageous.

This makes a lot of sense.

purpledalmation · 13/04/2023 19:34

News papers write this crap, because people buy it. I stopped years ago, but why is there such a fascination with scandal. Having said that social media is streets ahead of the print newspapers

TaLooLaBell · 13/04/2023 19:38

It's a shame they can't all be together

< curtsies to Rousette just in case >

StormzyinaTCup · 13/04/2023 19:49

Some people can pull off a curtesy and some clearly can't .
In the unlikely event I ever need to then it will be subtle knee bend not a dying swan or Bambi on ice.

Roussette · 13/04/2023 19:50

TaLooLaBell · 13/04/2023 19:38

It's a shame they can't all be together

< curtsies to Rousette just in case >

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Oh yeah

Nono22972 · 13/04/2023 19:53

DoubleShotEspresso · 13/04/2023 17:18

Wholeheartedly agree with this, as far as I am aware far too few of the general public and posting here are aware of quite how abysmal and underhand so. much of this media practice is till permitted to be today, despite Leveson and all else.
Fair play to H&M for their efforts, I suspect history will be far kinder to them both than many posting here realise.

I 100% agree that history will be a little kinder on these two. I'm not taking sides. I believe no side is 100% innocent.
I also believe both Meghan and Kate are being used as scapegoat in this whole family feud.
I 100% believe Harry when he says that there's been planting of stories about him and Meghan by the Palace (though most of these stories turned out to be true). I don’t know about William or BP but looking at his history, Charles is definitely guilty of this. Let’s not forget that, the year his divorce from Diana was finalised, he hired Mark Bolland to rehabilitate his and Camilla’s image and make her more acceptable to the public and his office had no problem throwing other family members under the bus, including his sons. We know his office leaked Camilla’s first meeting with William to the Sun, less than a year after Diana died. The article was so detailed that only a person who was in the room could’ve known all of this. Of course, 16 year old William didn’t say this to the press. We know he also planted stories about Harry in the 2000s.
Now, I wonder if Charles was behind Kate getting bad press when she was dating William. Looking at the timeline, it was when C&C were getting engaged and eventually married.
There’s a great documentary on Youtube called « reinventing the royals » talking about Charles’ PR operations in the 90s-00s.
You’d think Charles matured and learned from this but no, still today, nothing has changed. I’ve noticed recently that everytime Charles gets a little bit of heat, an article about the Waleses or W&K v H&M pops up in the media a few hours later. Just recently :
-Charles gets criticised for kicking H&M out of Frogmore Cottage and giving it to Andrew. A couple hours later, articles came out saying that W&K wanted Royal Lodge.
-« Harry and Charles are open reconciliation but William isn’t » articles, painting William as the villain who’s in the way of the father-son reunion
-Tom Bower just alleged, yesterday, that the reason Meghan is not going to the coronation is because Kate doesn’t want her there. Now, suddenly today, we’re getting « Charles is saddened he can’t see his grandchildren » articles, painting Charles as the poor grandfather who just wants to see his grandkids and Kate, the villain preventing it from happening.
-This week, we got stories that Charles refused to financially support Meghan and Harry while they were working royals. A few hours later, «Kate said that the walkabout with Meghan was the hardest thing she’s ever done », paining her as someone who just had it easy her entire life. Well, it worked. That story overshadowed the Charles money story.
-Charles was getting backlash for allowing Andrew to attend and walk with him to church. A few hours later, « Kate broke protocol by wearing red nails polish » articles popped up.
Maybe, I’m crazy but this theory makes sense, I think. Charles has the top job. He needs to let go of this idea of being beloved by the people. He lost the popularity battle after the Panorama interview and the war after Diana died. His heir is more popular than him and that’s not gonna change.
I also believe that Harry and Meghan also planted stories to the press. Let’s not forget that Meghan collaborated with Omid Scobie on « Finding Freedom ».
These two are a weird case because I totally felt sympathy for them when they decided to leave. I’m also 100% team Meghan when it comes to her feud with her paternal side of the family. I used to feel sorry for Tom Sr. I thought that he was just a regular guy who was manipulated by the media into taking some photos to look presentable to his daughter’s future in-laws but the way he’s been treating her since then is horrible. I’m not even going to comment on Samantha and Tom Jr, just pure trash.
Then, the Oprah interview happened and this is what tells me that a lot of people didn’t watch the full interview. The couple made explosive claims regarding mental health and racism. On the mental health part, a lot of people started blaming the royals, accusing them of denying Meghan help when she felt suicidal but Meghan clearly said that they went to ask for help and it was denied. Later on, Harry said that he didn’t tell his family of Meghan’s issues because he was « ashamed of admitting it to them ». This is where, I think, a lot of people didn’t make the difference between the family and the Firm. So, Meghan went to the Firm but they never told the family what was going on.
Then there were a lot of crazy claims that were debunked, like accusing the palace of taking her car keys and passport, basically saying she was a prisoner for months when she was traveling to NY (twice, Italy, South of France,…)
Finally, the racism allegation, gaslighting the public, implying to the whole world that one royal was being racist and had « concerns » about Archie’s skin tone only for him to backtrack 2 years later, after his family was bashed for 2 years, and say that he doesn’t believe his family are racist. Meghan said that Harry is the one that heard the comment so it looks like he completely gaslighted his wife into thinking that it was a racist comment and ended up, eventually, throwing her under the bus.
It’s after the Oprah interview that the couple started losing credibility, to me.
I think the British press is absolute trash and the way they’ve been obsessing over Meghan and hating on her is ridiculous but I also believe that they also can be manipulative with the media and play victim a lot.

I also think Harry still has a lot of trauma and definitely needs professional help. The whole situation is sad

Harry but not Meghan
Harry but not Meghan
Roussette · 13/04/2023 19:59

@Nono22972

I love your post and it's the reason I'm on these threads, to hear measured reasoned posts that are thoughtful and interesting.

Thank you 🙂

jeffgoldblum · 13/04/2023 20:05

Feel slightly embarrassed about the lack of nuance in my Harry is a knob post now! 😳

Maireas · 13/04/2023 20:06

jeffgoldblum · 13/04/2023 20:05

Feel slightly embarrassed about the lack of nuance in my Harry is a knob post now! 😳

Don't worry, I thought it was a point well made! 😊

wordler · 13/04/2023 20:07

jeffgoldblum · 13/04/2023 20:05

Feel slightly embarrassed about the lack of nuance in my Harry is a knob post now! 😳

We can appreciate brevity and nuance at the same time!

jeffgoldblum · 13/04/2023 20:07

@Maireas 🤣 thanks!

jeffgoldblum · 13/04/2023 20:09

@wordler , I like to keep my posts brief , to save on typing! 🤣

HeddaGarbled · 13/04/2023 20:16

@wordler

I've always had the feeling that he was enjoying being a 'disprupter' in the family events and it was all about him and how he felt at bringing a glamourous outsider to smash all the rules. But he totally threw her under the bus to do so

That’s an interesting take that I hadn’t thought of before.

Maireas · 13/04/2023 20:18

Harry had been talking about wanting to leave for years. He needed someone like Meghan to help make it happen.

StormzyinaTCup · 13/04/2023 20:21

HeddaGarbled · 13/04/2023 20:16

@wordler

I've always had the feeling that he was enjoying being a 'disprupter' in the family events and it was all about him and how he felt at bringing a glamourous outsider to smash all the rules. But he totally threw her under the bus to do so

That’s an interesting take that I hadn’t thought of before.

It's something that I must say did occur to me and I think I posted similar on one of these threads way back.
He wanted out, I think he may of thrown her under the bus in order to get out. She wanted to 'hit the ground running' and he let her knowing full well she would likely fail.

I think he is a nasty piece of work.

Nono22972 · 13/04/2023 20:22

Maireas · 13/04/2023 20:18

Harry had been talking about wanting to leave for years. He needed someone like Meghan to help make it happen.

Exactly! Harry always wanted to leave but a part of me did give him the side eye for waiting until he got married and let Meghan get all the backlash especially considering his past 2 relationships apparently ended because his exes didn't want to be royal

LindorDoubleChoc · 13/04/2023 20:23

@Nono22972 - I think you are overthinking it all. The Royal Family which includes Harry and Meghan are public figures. They will attract a lot of media attention. Some of it will be fair and balanced, some of it will not.

I sincerely doubt all members of the RF love being under the follow spot all the time in return for the financial privileges they have. I bet all of them would love a day off sometimes.

But the fourth estate is a funny old thing. No paper, or nowadays, no media outlet, really aligns exactly with what any one individual might think about the world. I do not accept that Harry and Meghan have been treated to incomparably prejudiced press reports because I am old enough to have been an adult when Diana, Sarah F, Kate, Camilla and everyone else came on the scene. It was all the same.

I don't know what can be done about the popular press. But it's not new.

Roussette · 13/04/2023 20:24

Great post @LindorDoubleChoc

Viviennemary · 13/04/2023 20:28

They were absolutely horrible about Fergie. Called her the Duchess of Pork when she put on a bit of weight. And they were not nice about Carole Middleton either.

Rhondaa · 13/04/2023 20:32

Maireas · 13/04/2023 20:18

Harry had been talking about wanting to leave for years. He needed someone like Meghan to help make it happen.

I dont think he actually wanted to ditch the VIP stuff and adulation just couldn't be arsed with all the stuffy rules and regulations and couldn't work out how to have his cake and eat it all by himself.

The US Royal franchise plan gave him the perfect get out clause. Sadly for him it was refused and we've all been witnessing the bitter fall out ever since.

Maireas · 13/04/2023 20:34

I think you're right, @Janiie .

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