Harry but not Meghan

[lipstickwoman]

No surprise he's coming on his own to the coronation.

thanks, I find it fascinating, so if the royal website I just used is correct , Harry is 5th in line and Edward 14th, so Meghan "outranks" Sophie?

Yes - she outranks everyone below Harry and their spouses when she is with Harry. On her own, like Kate, she doesn’t outrank the blood royals.

Adding to say blood royals with an HRH title - as obviously Zara and her brother are blood royals but untitled so don’t rank as highly.

Some of y'all are confusing rank with precedence. Catherine and Meghan are the same rank, HRH, princess by marriage, but Catherine has higher precedence as Princess of Wales.

Royals of the same rank do not bow and curtsy to each other. This is a myth generated years ago by some of the tabloids when the late Queen issued a changed order of precedence. So Meghan is not expected to curtsy to Kate or to anyone except Charles and Camilla or to foreign kings and queens.

And if the usual precedence is followed, yes, Meghan has higher precedence than Sophie. The King's DIL would usually have higher precedence than his SIL. But they are both the same rank, HRH, princess by marriage.

Thanks that explained it for me👑

Thanks for clarifying that again, Seneca - always worth clearing up these confusions. Interesting footnote: Meghan was taught to curtsey by Fergie in a last minute quick lesson before meeting the late Queen. Harry hadn't realised that she was unaware or unpractised in the skill!

I work in the media (never covered a Royal beat so no gossip to impart!) and Harry’s depiction of how the tabloids work has the dismal ring of truth. I would urge everyone to ignore confected family drama and read the relevant passages in his book.

Kensington Palace were openly known to be the source of, e.g., bullying stories and the way Meghan was spoken about by royal reporters was disgraceful.

The couple’s court cases against the tabloid press are of enormously significance. Standing up to DMGT etc is incredibly daunting and they have been made to suffer for it.
Since Leveson 2 was shelved, some news orgs have continued to behave appallingly and possibly illegally, not just towards the rich and famous, but towards bereaved families and other ordinary people who accidentally become newsworthy.

If H&M succeed in holding the UK press to account for this alone, they will have done more for this country than they will ever be given due credit for - the attempt alone is incredibly courageous.

Harry hadn't realised that she was unaware or unpractised in the skill!

I think Harry thinks, like a lot of British people, that because we know it happens that we all understand what to do! I wouldn’t. I’ve seen it more than most Americans as a kiwi but I still wouldn’t know what to do and be worried at having to do it. Although I think it’s bollocks so wouldn’t ever do it myself!

I think it also shows that Harry really didn't give Meghan a full picture of the role, so to speak. I don't think he prepared her well enough, I'm not saying deliberately, just that he was probably a bit oblivious.

Absolutely. Anyone who can stand up to the BP and then the RF is amazingly brave and forthright.
They way they hounded Caroline Flack, one will think the public will distrust Rebecca Brooks and her team.

This combined with Megan's refusal to be helped by Sophie.

Yes I agree @Maireas

I remember in their engagement interview H saying that M would be great in the role and they were ready to hit the ground running (were those the exact words?). At the time I thought it was very naive to jump into royal life like that. Hindsight proved me right.

All the women who marry into the Royal Family say they were not properly prepared. Diana and Sarah said exactly the same.
Anne said no one taught her anything either.

@Gilmorehill You are right. It showed up how little other Royals did and that went down badly.

Sophie was given a good apprenticeship, but they were together for years before the engagement was announced. Not exactly a whirlwind romance.

What would properly prepared look like? Aside from how to curtsey, what would the training be? Because social media is fairly new and changed in recent years. How would prepare a biracial American for that? How would you prepare them for racist headlines from people you then need to be nice to as part of your role?

Sophie had a rocky start @Maireas

She did indeed.

Wholeheartedly agree with this, as far as I am aware far too few of the general public and posting here are aware of quite how abysmal and underhand so. much of this media practice is till permitted to be today, despite Leveson and all else.
Fair play to H&M for their efforts, I suspect history will be far kinder to them both than many posting here realise.

I felt very sorry for Fergie, even though I find her a bit annoying now, she was treated so badly. So much scrutiny over her looks. I wouldn’t have been able to handle it

Just because kensington palace were the source of the stories it doesn't mean they weren't true.

Yes but you are a nobody - you are not part of this world.

@KillerSandy did you mean to be so rude to @Roussette ?
Not nice!

Well obviously I mean a nobody in terms of the RF and others of that ilk. 😂