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The royal family

Harry but not Meghan

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lipstickwoman · 12/04/2023 15:26

No surprise he's coming on his own to the coronation.

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Delectable · 13/04/2023 12:01

Hazelnuttella · 12/04/2023 15:39

Of course they wouldn’t be booed.

Meghan is probably not coming so she isn’t accused of stealing the limelight.

Although I’m sure there will be plenty of press coverage about her staying quietly at home, and accusing her of taking attention away from the coronation by not attending 🙃

You nailed it on the head. Especially as she intentionally gave birth on the day of the coronation albeit years before and put Harry in a difficult position not attending his child's birthday.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/04/2023 12:03

Many thanks for the link, @CathyorClaire - now you mention it I was vaguely aware of Andrew's links to the ghastly Selman Turk, but I'd honestly missed that Eugenie had cashed in too

Seems my instinct to keep an open mind on the daughters may not have been entirely wrong ...

Maireas · 13/04/2023 12:05

These are the same daughters, @Puzzledandpissedoff who have been lobbying for their father to be given official royal roles again.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/04/2023 12:08

You're right, Maireas - maybe I ought to add that to the list of "Hmmmms" Wink

Viviennemary · 13/04/2023 12:09

They said a senior royal. Meghan said they were not saying who as that would be very damaging for that person, So they obviously viewed it as very serious indeed. Them the next day William was asked by a reporter if the royal,family was racist. Which he denied.

Delectable · 13/04/2023 12:10

kirinm · 12/04/2023 15:41

I think Meghan not being there makes me think less of the royal family tbh.

Absolutely but it's closer to what the Meghan haters and racists want. Left to them they're just waiting for someone to heed Jeremy Clarkson's call. It's a big shame! Adulterers and alleged pedos are finely accepted but as Archie and Lillie are 2nd rate grandchildren they should stay away and have a birthday celebration without their dad. I won't be surprised if they considered setting a booty trap for Harry but thought better of it seeing he left the comfort of royal life for Meg. A life Charles deceived and used Diana to secure yet he's being celebrated for it while his grand uncle who abdicated for true love is vilified. Wrapped values.

StartupRepair · 13/04/2023 12:17

The Netflix documentary also slammed the Commonwealth as Empire 2.0 and edited the Queen's most iconic speech.

Dreamstate · 13/04/2023 12:21

MrsMaxDeWinter · 13/04/2023 08:01

@Whaeanui

I saw that!! There is a fantastic thread on Twitter at the moment with all the inconsistencies in other accounts versus what Harry wrote. I found most striking that Robert Jobson, who has been one of the greatest critics of Harry writing how many Taliban insurgents he killed (25) is the same person who, in his own book HARRY'S WAR, revealed that Harry had killed 30 insurgents. I kid you not.

Where was the outrage then? And why the outrage now about Harry telling his own story and correcting the record?

A poster further up said Harry's misdemeanours can be forgiven but Meghan can't.

I wonder why that is.

Looking through the papers today, filled with "How Dare She Snub the King" outrage from the same people who have been saying for weeks that Meghan should stay away from the Coronation is quite something.

My favourite is Ingrid Seward who came up with this gem for The Sun:

Ingrid Seward, editor of Majesty Magazine, said: “It is a double insult to her father-in-law because he walked her down the aisle in her hour of need and to not attend his Coronation would be considered as rude.

“I don’t think Meghan wanted to risk being sat in the hinterland at the Abbey. Turning the invite down is rude and unnecessary.

“If she had any courage she would have attended with head held high.”

Think about that for a minute.

In other words, she should have come and expected to be treated like shit, and iced out and ignored, as they kept crowing for weeks. That she did not come means she is rude and has no courage.

I wonder how many in the press and on here, realise they are sounding like abusive men left by their female partners. Take the abuse, bitch, take it and love it and if you can't take it, it says something about you.

And interestingly, after the spin yesterday that Charles was pleased she wasn't coming and Kate was relieved, the story has changed to how Charles is disappointed not to see her and the kids.

It's all so dysfunctional.

Why they can't just be transparent and make a clear public statement instead of different courtiers briefing contradictory things will always astound me. I was ambivalent before, but I am really, really glad for her. She clearly has strong boundaries, and that is good for her.

But how terrible for the royal family that the only person who has declined the invitation is the mixed race mother of the King's children, the only children in the WORLD with the exceptional heritage of both being the descendants of African-American slaves though their mother and grandmother, and more than 40 monarchs through their father. Some of the same monarchs, incidentally, who benefitted from the very slave trade that brought their mother's African ancestors to America as enslaved people.

What a missed opportunity this whole mess is. How very very shortsighted not to see that embracing this family would have meant, before and beyond the Coronation.

But that's one for the history books. For now, I am glad Meghan has chosen not to go into a situation where she would be ripped and picked apart, and Harry has chosen to go, if only for the ceremony, because it matters that he pay his respects to his father, and his King.

Despite the sadness, an elegant solution.

This 100%.

Dreamstate · 13/04/2023 12:25

Inkanta · 13/04/2023 10:17

Really horrible, unpleasant upsetting stuff. How can you live like that.

Thats why H&M wanted out of. I would be furious too

LindyLou2020 · 13/04/2023 12:28

Roussette · 12/04/2023 18:09

Not as much as your king and heir. He flew scheduled to the court case for instance

@Roussette
Nobody is my "king and heir".
The thread started off as being about Harry.
But I don't see it as a competition as to which Royal is better than any other Royal.
Surely we're allowed to be critical of any of them?

Whenharrymetsmelly · 13/04/2023 12:32

holdtightly · 12/04/2023 16:30

To the detractors Harry is the kings son and whatever thoughts anyone has about him that will never change. No one has said the reason Meghan isn't coming is because of Archie's birthday. To be fair to Charles I thought he treated her very well and even Harry in his book spoke lovingly about him. Whatever Harry has done whether you think it is right or wrong Charles will always love him and that will never change. Where W &K are concerned that is a different story and it seems from a lot which has been said they didn't like her from the get go. Meghan did say on Oprah that Kate was a good person but I think whatever she did or said they were never going to like her she was just too different from them in so many ways and I think racism and snobbery did have a part to play in that.

I agree. I think a bit of jealously too

Maireas · 13/04/2023 12:34

Hang on, hang on - it's really not fair to accuse Kate of racism with no evidence!

Nono22972 · 13/04/2023 12:42

MrsMaxDeWinter · 13/04/2023 11:36

Perhaps you missed it but the morning after the Oprah interview aired, harry and Meghan confirmed to Oprah who shared it on CBS news that the person who raised concerns about Archie's skin colour was not the Queen or Prince Phillip.

In the interview itself, Meghan had nothing but lovely things to say about the Queen, and in the Netflix series she expands on her respect and affection for her, and also shares a warm anecdote about Philip.

She also says very nice things about Charles in the documentary, as does Harry in his book.

Whoever raised those concerns, they made it clear long before the Queen and her husband died that it was not Charles, the Queen or Prince Phillip.

I totally agree. The British Media do seem to exaggerate a lot.

Even the whole Kate vs Meghan just sounds ridiculous to me. When the "Meghan made Kate cry" story came out, it wasn't really a big deal to me. I'm the daughter of African immigrants and our family weddings are huge and preparations are always tense so I just though that Meghan was probably a stressed bride to be, Kate was pregnant or had just given birth so she was hormonal, no big deal. The wedding happened and it was beautiful.

Meghan really didn't attacked Kate. She just gave her version of the story, said she apologised and is a nice person. That should've been the end of this "feud".

Their Oprah interview and Netflix series have some inconsistencies but I thought that both Harry and Meghan mostly centered their attacked around the media and not the family.

They've always spoken positively of the Queen (which I don't get. The institution was so bad to them but nothing negative about the head of the institution) and Prince Philip. Harry was very sympathetic to Charles in the book, I think.
His main target is clearly his brother which is why I believe Charles and Harry will reconcile at some point but the brothers won't

custardbear · 13/04/2023 12:43

@MrsMaxDeWinter - yes of course they were trying to keep the nearest to the throne on side - but they're basically trying to take down an institution by attacking it ... the queens institution they she's built ... so in effect it's attacking her
But yes they tried to keep the queen in side

Jemandthehologramsunite · 13/04/2023 12:46

LizzieSiddal · 12/04/2023 17:11

The biggest loser here is the press, because they have been deprived of their lucrative Meghan clicks. And the Royal Rota who have been denied hours of pontificating over her every move.

Agree. The press will be livid at this decision and they’ll make sure she pays for it in the weeks/months to come.

This is spot on

Nono22972 · 13/04/2023 12:46

Whenharrymetsmelly · 13/04/2023 12:32

I agree. I think a bit of jealously too

Maybe but I think Harry probably expected them to get along and become friends from the get-go and was hugely disappointed when it didn't happen. Kate and Meghan are just too different, they were never going to be friends

Sudeko · 13/04/2023 12:52

Well, that's not Kate's fault at all. She doesn't seem close to any of the other royal women any more than she was towards Meghan. I know many Kate types. They are reserved and it may come across as aloof. Unless you 'click' through a mutual (niche/exclusive) interest, they probably won't remember your name. They are Cliquey but not racist or horrible.
If Harry wanted that natural relationship between Kate and his wife then he should have chosen someone more obviously similar.

MaroonCow · 13/04/2023 12:58

They've always spoken positively of the Queen (which I don't get. The institution was so bad to them but nothing negative about the head of the institution)

I think Harry genuinely loved and respected her. Also, for many people, disrespecting the Queen would have been really unforgivable...even many republicans (not all, I know) respected her personally even if they were opposed to the institution. Had they spoken ill of her, it would have crossed a line for many people.

Nono22972 · 13/04/2023 13:05

Sudeko · 13/04/2023 12:52

Well, that's not Kate's fault at all. She doesn't seem close to any of the other royal women any more than she was towards Meghan. I know many Kate types. They are reserved and it may come across as aloof. Unless you 'click' through a mutual (niche/exclusive) interest, they probably won't remember your name. They are Cliquey but not racist or horrible.
If Harry wanted that natural relationship between Kate and his wife then he should have chosen someone more obviously similar.

Ad someone that is naturally shy, suffered from social anxiety for years and has some trust issues due to some things that happened when I was younger, I can relate, sort of.

I have my group of friends, most of them I've been friends with since childhood. It takes a lot for me to trust and let new people in. I don't do well with strangers. It may seem cold to a lot of people (my mum and sister used to call me "the ice queen") but that's just how I am. I just need more time than most

Viviennemary · 13/04/2023 13:05

I think Kate is very close to her family and has a lot of friends. Maybe she didnt make enough effort to be friends with Meghan like going out for lunch etc. But she was pregnant then had a new baby just before the wedding.

LadyMuckingabout · 13/04/2023 13:15

It’s definitely a strange pairing when it’s the Press and the Fans who are united in disappointment that Meghan won’t be coming.

I must admit I thought she would have styled it out, but I guess the risk of a D-list seat and a less than rapturous reception made the decision.

I think this scenario is what would happen in a “normal” family: if there had been a dreadful barney the blood relation would still turn up to an event, and the in-law would diplomatically claim illness etc.

Roussette · 13/04/2023 13:16

Their Oprah interview and Netflix series have some inconsistencies but I thought that both Harry and Meghan mostly centered their attacked around the media and not the family.

^^ this.

But posters ignore that and LIKE to make it about the family

Dreamstate · 13/04/2023 13:21

Roussette · 13/04/2023 13:16

Their Oprah interview and Netflix series have some inconsistencies but I thought that both Harry and Meghan mostly centered their attacked around the media and not the family.

^^ this.

But posters ignore that and LIKE to make it about the family

And worse people refuse to even see it about the press and social media. When its so obvious and in their faces they still bury their heads in the sands and refuse to believe it

I mean just look at how they are now attacking Kate, all to make sure Camilla looks great. Its so blantantly obvious and why should it happen? Why should this still go on, thats what they complained about..when does it stop? as a family they should be saying enough is enough, the press are out of control.

Roussette · 13/04/2023 13:21

It’s definitely a strange pairing when it’s the Press and the Fans who are united in disappointment that Meghan won’t be coming.

Who says that? I am beyond relieved she isn't coming and I've said so right from the very beginning

BlackFriday · 13/04/2023 13:22

Maireas · 13/04/2023 12:34

Hang on, hang on - it's really not fair to accuse Kate of racism with no evidence!

Absolutely!!
@holdtightly, you're bang out of line accusing Kate of that with zero grounds.

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