Harry but not Meghan

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No surprise he's coming on his own to the coronation.

Any member of the Royal Family can chose to give up their titles, if the Monarch agrees.

this dates back to Princess Patricia of Connaught, daughter of Prince Arthur, third son of Queen Victoria. On her marriage, she relinquished her royal titles (including HRH) to become Lady Patricia Ramsey, with the agreement of King George V

so it was perfectly possible for Harry and Meghan to make similar decision, which would have resulted in no titles for their children.

Lest we forget, Harry just published a tell-all book about all sorts of secret and intimate encounters between the to-be king, his brother knocking him into a dog bowl, the to-be 'queen' plotting as a wicked stepmother.

Now, he's just going to hop in and out of the coronation as quickly as possible on a same-day return flight to pretend he wants to rebuild those bridges that he so publicly and tawdrily burned, but without leaving any actual time to do so.

What an absolute coward.

Don't you know? We are all Meghan, just changing names apparently.

On a serious note, I am happy be a regular here, particularly now, when I am in between projects and have time to kill. When I am busier, I tend to lurk.

I will defend Meghan, not because I know her, but because I like her and Harry. I loved the work she was doing in the UK, creative stuff with Smartworks and Hubb Kitchen, Vogue, Mayhew and the Queen's Commonwealth Trust (I was a recipient of a scholarship from a similar Commonwealth Trust in another life) I lover her style, especially the thoughtful choices on the Australia, NZ, and Sooth Africa tour, choices that boosted unknown designers.

I spend a lot time in Edinburgh, and know what she did for Strathberry when she carried two of their fabulous bags to events. This is her Tig personality coming out -- I knew Meghan long before she met Harry, my nephew had a huge crush on her, thanks to Suits, and our family became addicted to the show as it was shown on DSTV in my country.

I love, love Invictus, Endeavour and WellChild. They both have a knack for choosing projects that make a real impact, non a joyful way even in a small way like the Uvalde playground that they did together with Kaboom, or the cute black girl's braiding salon that makes me smile.

Meghan talks about the difference between giving to charity and building community. Their projects show that they get that right. I hope that they are truly past there "looking back" phase, and can do more such joyful work.

I don't always agree with all their decisions, I thought Archetypes was a brilliant concept, but not always well executed in some of the episodes. I loved, loved Spare, in part because I love the ghost writer's work, but I winced at some of its factual errors. And I wish Meghan had handled Thomas better in the early days, before things went loco like coco pops.

But what many posters here have in common is that we don't like the relentless bullying of Meghan that goes on in these threads. It is catty, unpleasant, spiteful, and many lies are told (see the fake pregnancy stuff, the kids don't exist stuff etc on just this thread, and the fake quoting of Omid Scobie to bolster the narrative that Meghan wanted, of all things, the Coronation attendees to pause proceedings to sing happy birthday to Archie)

So yes, we will be right in there correcting falsehoods and challenging untrue things, like Meghan not ever having mentioned her mother before she met Harry. Why make up stuff like that, just to have a go?

I don’t get why people on mn are so worked up about this-surely it’s the perfect mumsnet situation-Harry’s family, Harry deals with them and his wife stays at home -this is always put forward as the ideal solution on here!😂

@50shadesofneigh I literally just posted this. THEY ALL talk about private conversations, all of them. Harry added to the version out there:

You are absolutely spot on @Maireas

My point was that it is presented as though Meghan "accepted" some gift given to her, or snatched at titles etc.

I think they worried that the Oprah plan they raised, to amend the Letters patent, would be it in place.

They claim the birthright titles, leaving it to BP to make the next move. The next decision will be whether , at 18, the kids want to use them, so the inverse of Sophie and Edward.

@MrsMaxDeWinter - fair enough. Similarly there was/is an awful thread on here claiming that William was cheating on Kate and that he was the father of Rose Hanbury's twins! Unfortunately lots of people joining in to slag them off and write piffle. I'm not a crazy fan by any stretch but felt compelled to defend them a bit, and got slated. I know what you mean. I think discussions about roles, public occasions, books whatever are valid, but certain stuff is just malicious gossip and helps no-one. That's when these threads deteriorate.

Yes, I see what you mean by use of titles, @MrsMaxDeWinter

@Maireas that thread is awful.

They just love to gaslight people like me who disagree with their POV. It's just shutting down others.

I don’t think you know what gaslight means. Nobody said you post continuously, but what you do post is particularly nasty. You also constantly personally attack others, which is why so many of your posts are removed. Lots of people disagree here and perfectly respectfully to others, without doing that. It’s the nature of your posts, not the frequency. Which has been said to you many times.

So you are saying that a blow-by-blow (quite literally!) narrative of dialogue from Harry (one of many) is exactly equal to a story told by William to a 'friend' that was then told third hand to another person who wrote indirectly about it?

The way Harry (well, the ghost writer) really digs into numerous conversations in Spare at countless private and intimate moments is somewhat, er, different, wouldn't you say? I mean do you think it's reasonable to directly quote and publish your side of a three-way conversation at a family funeral amid all those heightened emotions?

@Roussette
This thread started off as being about Harry, not William.
But, of course we are allowed to be critical of both of them - doesn't have to be one or the other, does it?
😉

Its a sensible compromise. If they all came it would be a circus. If Harry didn't come it would be a final straw moment for any hopes of reconciling and I guess might put more pressure on the issue of keeping their Titles. The book reception, I suspect, wasn't what they were hoping for - rather than everyone thinking 'Poor Harry', there's been a lot of ridicule. Either MM has been quiet recently, or the press are just not reporting her activities - it feels like she's 'gone to ground' a bit since the book came out. If the reports are true that the Sussex's were worried about the public reception, then that would only add to the desire to find a plan that didn't expose them to that (and have the press coverage of it).

I wonder if there will be a lot of interest in his next book...or if they've now worn that out. No doubt the family will be keen to avoid giving him more content so conversations will be limited at best.

So you are saying that a blow-by-blow (quite literally!) narrative of dialogue from Harry (one of many) is exactly equal to a story told by William to a 'friend' that was then told third hand to another person who wrote indirectly about it?

No, Harry is more honest because he puts his name to it. William gets friends to leak stories, as Harry said. The tabloids all refer to ‘sources’ so who are they if not friends and staff? If they didn’t want them tattling they’d ditch them. Williams account appeared first. Harry gave his version of an already published story.

So unnecessary, and unkind. I wonder how posters would feel to have this ugly speculation in their own lives about impending divorces, affairs etc. I think we forget that these people may be public figures, but that does not make them public property.

@MrsMaxDeWinter

Princess Anne turned them down for her children. What I meant was that Meghan can turn down the titles for her children as well. So why hasn't she? If the royal family has been so awful to her? If everything that Meghan and Harry has said about the royal family is true, there is no way I would want my children to have those titles if I was her.

he is awful isn't he.

Its already started check out this disgusting headline for an article in the DAily mail:

DAN WOOTTON: Has gutless Meghan swerved the Coronation because she can't stand the thought of being booed? Kate's relief will be palpable, but she'll still have to keep furious William away from his brother Harry'Princess of Wales is delighted she won't have to face treacherous sister-in-law'

WTAF, its not even factual.

No wonder she doesn't want to come when this is the absolute shite said about her.

It makes him sound seriously unwell, it's just not normal to have this much hatred for someone that has absolutely no bearing on your life .

Princess Anne’s children were only entitled to titles if Captain Mark Philips was ennobled. They turned down a hereditary title for him so the children weren’t entitled to anything at any stage.

All Princess Anne did was NOT request special treatment outside of the rules. Children can’t get titles from their mother. Just their father. So they’re plain old Master and Miss pre marriage. the Sussexes also don’t want “special treatment” they want the same.

titles schmitles anyway. Relationships are more important than your letterhead. I can never get aerated about their titles, any of them. I don’t think the Sussexes should have their removed as it would be a meaningless and spiteful gesture.

in contrast to what I’ve written though, I actually do think that Louis’s children should take the same sort of style as Lady Louise Windsor and Viscount Severn. Will be easier for them to get jobs and live normally as well as slimming the RF without Charles having to do what the Danish Queen did, stripping her four grandchildren of their titles.

Exactly this. The palaces hide behind "friends", "palace sources, and "royal insiders". Nothing is ever transparent.

This is a watershed moment I think. I it is true that negotiations with Harry involved just a few senior officials, and if we see leaks about what those negotiations involved, then I hope Harry gives his side of the story, in a new chapter in the paperback version of Spare.

The stories today, apart from the commentary of the Royal Rota, are very toned down. Yesterday it was about Charles being pleased Meghan was not coming and Kate being relieved, but today it's more sombre. They may have learned lessons from the Frogmore debacle, where again, the story was that Charles had kicked out Harry in a fit of anger but became much more toned after they released what a bad look it was to kick out Harry for Andrew, and Andrew for William with his four or so residences.

One way of seeing this is that it's a form of closure for Harry. The next events he will attend with his family are the funerals of the more elderly relatives, whom I sincerely hope live as long as the late Queen, meaning Harry will not need to do any more public events for a long long time.

In other news, Robert Jobson's new book "Our King" is a little obsessed with Meghan, with the nugget that Meghan plans to run for president in 2024. Given that the book is out this month, and 2024 is next year, hasn't she left it a bit late to challenge Joe Biden??

Speaking of which: Jill Biden and Harry will both be minus ones at the Cozza (love that word) They like each other, and here's hoping they sit next to each other!

I think exactly the same! @Whaeanui upthread, myself and a couple of others seemed to be of this opinion. I don't know why being royal or a celebrity makes anyone fair game for this sort of toxic behaviour.

I had read that Meghan was going to run for president, although how true that is, I don't know. I'd love it if Lilibet did! Princess Lilibet, President of the USA! ☺️

@Maireas & @MrsMaxDeWinter the questioning parentage particularly bothers me, those children should not be discussed in that way by anyone! Rumours about affairs are bad enough but leave the children out of it!