Harry but not Meghan

[lipstickwoman]

No surprise he's coming on his own to the coronation.

@ThefourseasonsFrankie

Sticking to her boundaries. Right. OK.

So according to her the royal family have been horrible to her and made racist comments. So her boundaries were putting distance between herself and them and starting a new life elsewhere. So why the hell did she accept the prince and princess titles from such an awful institution for her kids. I'd be telling Charlie to stick the titles up his arse if the royal family was that bad.

It is her child's birthday. She doesn't want to bring two young kids on a long hauled flight to such a huge public event when they have never been to something like that before. And she knows that she and Harry have effed up big time. People who witnessed events say that she got a pretty cold reception from the British public when she came over for the funeral. She must know that it will be even worse this time.

Such a glaring manipulation by the Sun. Quite pathetic.

I heard this too and it was Nicholas 'arselicker' Witchell positively revelling in discord and strife. The royal family despise him yet he just is the biggest suck up imaginable.

Ha!

To paraphrase Stephen King, (have been rereading the Dark Half (Chills!!) "Ike and Mike they think alike."

We cross posted. See my post above yours!!

When you are a 2 bar electric sort of monarch the lure of a tax-free inheritance pot going only to the succession would be too good to avoid, and then he divvies up who gets what no doubt respecting her wishes. I think assuming that is fair speculation.

We haven't seen the Queen's will, correct. Because unlike the great british public, they are allowed to seal their Wills for 90 years.

However, everywhere you look... there are very many legitimate sources that say Charles was the sole beneficiary of the Queen's Will. One dodgy source and I'd agree with you. That is not the case.

Feel free to provide anything to the contrary.

In other words, she should have come and expected to be treated like shit, and iced out and ignored, as they kept crowing for weeks. That she did not come means she is rude and has no courage

That's the crux of it for me. Meghan has said NO to that!

I agree Rousette, it shows they have settled down as a couple and as a family with busy lives and two young children. Understandably the regular Saturday evening date night may no longer be a priority.

But this is one of the predictable and tedious one liners from the usuals when they have nothing new to say.

And this will sealing is a 20th century invention dating back to 1910 not some ancient right of monarchs down the centuries anointed by god. They make it up as they go along - in fact it's all made up. As the Thai anti-monarchists say before they get locked up for a long time for lèse-majesté - no god, no king, only human.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/content/104145

Just thought I'd see what was 'going down' on here this morning whilst I enjoy my first coffee of the day and for some reason 'greyhounds out of a trap' popped into my head. I have no idea why.😁

Surely more like tax-free "gifted" racehorses. 😁

I’m always fascinated by the sparring that goes on in the H&M threads - both ‘sides’ have their regulars who appear like magic and will tear them to shreds/defend them to the hilt, despite not knowing them personally (I presume). It’s bizarre.

Or you could have been lurking since 1am. Who knows!

I don’t know why anyone gives time to the posters who just pop in to goad with nothing relevant to say. I just ignore them.

@Prescottdanni123

So why the hell did she accept the prince and princess titles from such an awful institution for her kids. I'd be telling Charlie to stick the titles up his arse if the royal family was that bad.

She did not "accept the prince and princess titles."

The titles were AUTOMATICALLY bestowed on the children the minute their grandfather died.

I think it's wonderful that children with such a heritage should have the same privileges as their cousins, born to William and Kate.

The choice was not hers to make, it was made already. And it was not for the family to make either, unless Charles decided to amend the relevant Letters Patent and REMOVE their entitlement to the titles. As Meghan discussed on Oprah, this is something that had been mooted. In the end, it was not done, and for the King to do so now would look petty and vindictive.

What she and Harry did was to INDICATE that the children would use the titles in formal settings, just as the children of William and Kate do.

You will have seen that the statement from Buckingham Palace yesterday referred to the kids by their titles, just as they referred to Meghan and Harry by his. Just as they refer to William and Catherine and their children by theirs.

That's the thing about the Royal Family and inherited privilege. If you accept the concept of entitlement through birth, blood, Holy Oil and all that, you can't decide the rules should be abandoned just because you don't like individuals. The day Prince Andrew's titles are removed, I will join you in baying for the removal of the kids' titles.

Until then, HRH Prince Harry, The Duke of Sussex and HRH, The Duchess of Sussex, (who could also be called by the rather clunky and eyerolling HRH, The Princess Henry of Sussex) HRH Prince Archie of Sussex and HRH Princess Lilibet of Sussex will be known by those titles, with the HRHs being in abeyance for now of course, meaning they have agreed they wont use them, but are entitled to them.

And whatever racism or unconscious bias an individual in the family may have displayed, damn straight I want the descendants of enslaved people to be given the full dignity that the white members of equivalent rank get.

Consider the inquiry into institutional racism in the police after Stephen Lawrence's dreadful murder and botched investigation. Did you expect black police officers to just give up their jobs, and black people to stop reporting crimes, or did you hope police forces would reflect, course correct and do better?

So why should the kids lose their entitlement within the institution because someone in the family expressed concerns about how brown Archie's skin colour would be?

“ a 2 bar electric sort of monarch “

I nearly choked on my toast laughing when I read that. Thanks Vera

*Ingrid Seward, editor of Majesty Magazine, said: “It is a double insult to her father-in-law because he walked her down the aisle in her hour of need and to not attend his Coronation would be considered as rude.

“I don’t think Meghan wanted to risk being sat in the hinterland at the Abbey. Turning the invite down is rude and unnecessary.

“If she had any courage she would have attended with head held high*

Wow real Mean Girl talk from Ingrid Seward! Cinderella comes to mind and the ugly sister's twisted rationalisations.

I see the echo chamber is still functioning on here. These threads are by far the weirdest on this site.

For people who hate the royal family, you do spend a lot of time talking about them.

Here’s my opinion (I’m sure someone will be along quickly to scream at me about it). The coronation is not about her. She doesn’t want to be part of the family. That’s fine. Now she’s confirmed that she’s not coming the people who are looking forward to the event can stop talking about her and start focusing on the event.

And it is not surprising she doesn’t want to come. If I’d slagged someone off repeatedly on different media platforms then I wouldn’t want to be attending their big family event either.

The choice was not hers to make, it was made already. And it was not for the family to make either, unless Charles decided to amend the relevant Letters Patent and REMOVE their entitlement to the titles. That's the thing about the Royal Family and inherited privilege. If you accept the concept of entitlement through birth, blood, Holy Oil and all that, you can't decide the rules should be abandoned just because you don't like individuals.

So why were Anne and Edward allowed to choose not to give their kids titles? They were also grandchildren of a monarch?

That's the thing about the Royal Family and inherited privilege. If you accept the concept of entitlement through birth, blood, Holy Oil and all that, you can't decide the rules should be abandoned just because you don't like individuals

Edward and Sophie’s children were automatically Princess and Prince from the day they were born. Their parents decided not to use these titles, letting Louise and James decide for themselves.

they have the same heritage as Archie and Lilibet.

the cousins don’t need titles to have relationships - Peter and Zara manage just fine.

This game playing by the pro Harry and Megan/anti-royals posters (game being to "win" I suppose, or at least disprove, scoff or pour scorn on anything anyone else says while high-fiving themselves as they do so) is tedious in the extreme.

Of course there are going to be some ill-informed , dubious, unpleasant, unfactual posts on these threads. There will on any long thread on Mumsnet. Report them if they bother you.

But many of us are not pro or anti royal obsessives. I bet most of us don't hang around all day on all of these threads.

We would just like to be able to discuss a news story without being policed and insulted.

@MrsMaxDeWinter - you're correct, the titles of Prince and Princess are indeed automatic, and not contingent upon ethnicity/skin colour. When Archie was born, he was entitled to be Lord Archie, Earl of Dumbarton, but his parents chose "Master Archie". Same with Lilibet, who was entitled to be Lady Lilibet before she was a Princess. That's the bit I don't understand, but I suppose everyone has the right to change their minds and use titles as they wish. Legally, and by birthright, Louise and James are Prince and Princess, but the parents chose for them not to be so styled, and opted for the courtesy titles of the children of an Earl. I have no problem with any of this, but am making the point that although it is "birthright" as Harry and Meghan quite correctly say, it is also choice. They wish for their children to be so styled, so be it.

Who knows indeed! 😁😘

Sorry, I think I cross posted with a couple of people when I was writing that! In a nutshell - you can use titles or not. Personal choice.