Harry but not Meghan

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No surprise he's coming on his own to the coronation.

I think he will come back here eventually. He won't spend the rest of his life in the USA.

Harry chose to be away playing polo on Archie 's birthday last year so I don't think as a family they are very reverent about birthday dates.

It's probably the most diplomatic solution.

There would be a hue and cry if they said 'no we don't want them' whatever anyone says on here,

Would there? Princess Anne didn't take titles for her children (she was also second child of the monarch). There seemed to be more fuss when Andrew did insist on having titles for Beatrice and Eugenie.

@StartupRepair Not true. Last year Harry attended a polo match close to home on Archies birthday. He will have been away from home for a few hours. So plenty of hours to celebrate a birthday that day.

I'm not sure he's left a lot to come back to.

He's not so much burned his bridges but vaporised them.

Honestly I'm baffled by H&M.

They left M's father in no doubt about the personal consequences of speaking to the media for financial gain yet seem unwilling to live by the standards they set for others.

Of course they are entitled to do and say as they wish, make their money how they please and live in a way they find "thriving".

I can also simultaneously believe that whilst privileged, H's life was not always easy, I can understand why he feels resentment towards his family for some aspects of his upbringing.

In addition I can also think that whilst M thought she could live within the RF, the reality of it was unbearable - it's not a life I would choose - and had far less freedom than she anticipated.

As for the RF, they are what they are. Far from perfect but certainly in public (though in private who knows?) they have handed out olive branch after olive branch to H&M - only for them to pick of the fruit and fly off again, leaving their mess behind.

It's a sad situation all round.

I don't know if H coming alone is the best solution or one of the worst and even for whom.

Frankly, I don't think there ever was an optimal outcome whilst trust is so strained lacking on both sides.

If this rift is ever to heal it's going to have to start with H&M making a decision to move on and stop making any further revelations.

Given the book deal H has (and the potential for M to write her own) I don't think that's going to happen and in that situation, I can fully understand why members of the RF are not willing to participate in being "copy" in those next chapters by welcoming them back into the fold, preferring instead to keep them both at arms length.

I was thinking the same thing. Sarah lives with Andrew. As much as I dislike Andrew, I’m think the RF need to stop excluding Sarah. It seems petty.

They have not offered olive branches to Harry and Meghan. The family snub them publicly and leak against them.

But it's her choice isn't it? How are they supposed to "manage' her..they haven't been able to up to now and she has caused a lot of issues whether you like her or not. You can't just silence someone or force them to attend a function if they don't want to. I don't expect the wider RF family want her there and I'm sure she reciprocates the feeling.
Personally I think their decision is for the best. Harry was demanding the RF apologise to her but that was never going to happen.

The public statements from HMQ and more recently HMK (on public record) say otherwise.

Both have expressed their love and care for H&M.

@BreadInCaptivity Issuing PR statements about them being part of the family is not an olive branch.
Or would only be seen as such in a dysfunctional family. In nice families you would actually talk to each other. Charles could have flew over to see them and his grandchildren. That is a real olive branch. But the reality is Charles said he was too busy to even talk to Harry on the phone.

I an not surprised Meghan is not coming. I would not go in her shoes after she was publicly snubbed by the family at the Queens funeral. It was disgraceful behaviour.

I an not surprised Meghan is not coming. I would not go in her shoes after she was publicly snubbed by the family at the Queens funeral.

Why is the onus on Charles to offer Olive branches? What about Meghan's relationship with her own father? It's pretty obvious Harry is only maintaining some semblance of relationship with Charles because he's rich and internationally famous. If he was a poor retiree like Thomas Markle, he'd have been cut off by now too

Whataboutery.
We are talking about Harry and Meghan's relationship with the Royal family.
And most parents are pro active in maintaining a relationship with their children and grandchildren.
As a parent I can not imagine thinking if I fell out with my adult children - well why is up to me to make an effort? Because you are a parent is the obvious answer.

And why is Charles being rich relevant? None of it will go to Harry. It will all be passed on to William.

And why is Charles being rich relevant? None of it will go to Harry. It will all be passed on to William.

This just isn't true. Of course Harry stands to inherit from his father fgs. Why do people feel the need to make up shit in order to potray wealthy, privileged Prince Harry as hard done by?

*portray

@AskMeMore Sadly, Charles is probably concerned that any contact, even a phone call, won’t be kept private and could be discussed in a future interview or book. Public statements are the only safe form of olive branch now.

I can’t imagine not being able to have a private conversation with my child or being unable to visit them/grandchildren without being sure that every word won’t be reported.

I don't think anyone knew their real characters before. Mm (unknown actress) Harry (everything kept quiet by the palace machine).

Well we all know now, and it's a lesson to everyone famous... keep away from interviews, Netflix and Oprah. H&M, Andrew... never goes well.

I don't think they're that relevant in America judging by their plummeting poll rankings

Inviting them to his coronation with their knives still sticking in his back, is definitely an olive branch imo.

Very doubtful he will inherit anything. Because dead monarch to heir apparent attracts no Inheritance Tax. Unlike what us mere mortals have to pay. Which is why Charles was the sole beneficiary of the Queen's Will, billions in assets, numerous castles and estates, properties, land, seabeds etc. and £650M in cash and art, racehorses, etc

Charles won't do any different with his Will.

I did enjoy reading your take on all this FourSeasonsFrankie.

glad Megan is not coming , Harry will always be welcomed back despite his misdemeanours
tje whole coronation is overblown and should have been done on a tenth of the budget

Not got a horse in this race. But seriously. Come and you're trying to make it about your kids birthday, don't come and you're sulking. The ridiculous bashing over non events really has to stop!

I suspect this was probably less of a personal decision and more of a decision made with the help of PR strategists.

I would not be surprised if Harry really does not want to be there, but it would really damage his image even more if he refused the invitation to his fathers Coronation in light of his wish to be reconciled with his family.

I suspect Meghan would actually really want to be there, but her credibility with her benefactors would be hugely compromised if she attended. Both Tyler Perry and Oprah Winfrey swooped in to help and support them , financially and as ally’s against claims of racism in the Royal Family and the UK in general., so I think they have also had to consider if those relationships would be impacted by what would be viewed as sheer hypocrisy.

I do think they were between a rock and a hard place, but this is probably the best compromise for their image.

Why are people pretending they don't know how it all went wrong? it might have something to do the press that welcomed her to the UK with Straight out of compton and Harry's girl on pornhub headlines.

Please be serious.