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Choconut · 31/03/2023 10:45

She's a narcissist just like his mother - both brilliant at playing the victim without acknowledging their poor choices - but Diana was so much better at manipulating the media than Meghan whose lies caught up with her very quickly.

Whaeanui · 31/03/2023 10:46

The Netflix doc was clearly needed to tell their side of the story against a tabloid industry whose very business model is undeniably based on vilifying her and Harry.

Exactly. It’s funny he’s not allowed one Netflix special when the royal family has always sold the story of their family and life, to endless publications and tv crews, carefully curated of course, to great enthusiasm by the public.

Whaeanui · 31/03/2023 10:46

And the Diana bashing goes on even long after her death. Totally ignoring Charles’ interview in the same period of course

MamoruHisaishi · 31/03/2023 10:51

notanotheroneagain · 31/03/2023 10:37

And how does he even know for sure that all the people he killed were all Taliban? It’s not an actual video game where you're assured that whoever you hit or kill is actually an enemy. For all we know, some of the people he killed may been victims themselves, forced to join a war they may not have wanted.

You must have missed the part where soldiers go in for a precise review of who they have killed. Due to technology they watch the kills. Even if it's an energy, they must be reaching for a kill. You don't just go around killing innocents without a court martial afterwards.

Except another soldier has also questioned this:

While it is not uncommon for soldiers to watch back gun-cam footage to analyse how the mission had unfolded, the Afghan veteran added, “You can’t always tell who has been killed or injured. No one is going into a flattened building to check.”https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/06/army-veterans-criticise-prince-harry-claim-killed-25-taliban-afghanistan

The fact is, Harry drew ire not just from the taliban but also the army/ his fellow soldiers. He didn't care if it caused outrage, because he's never at fault for his own behaviour and words. Everyone else is wrong, never him.

Army veterans criticise Prince Harry’s claim he killed 25 Taliban in Afghanistan | Prince Harry | The Guardian

Col Tim Collins says ‘we don’t do notches on rifle butt’ and kill-count talk could increase Harry’s personal security risk

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/06/army-veterans-criticise-prince-harry-claim-killed-25-taliban-afghanistan

Snorlaxing · 31/03/2023 10:52

PlanetLuna · 31/03/2023 10:38

When they moved to North America in 2020, Meghan was out of the public eye for 18 months. Zero interviews, few if any appearances.

Nevertheless the press about her was frenzied, continuous and grew beyond anything we’d ever seen.

Fact is, this tabloid narrative of her constantly “seeking” attention is fiction.
She does her work, which seems to be professional and impactful, but otherwise stays out of the public eye. It’s the tabloid & sm that keeps droning on about her.

She has never sold stories to the press.

The Netflix doc was clearly needed to tell their side of the story against a tabloid industry whose very business model is undeniably based on vilifying her and Harry.

That's not how I remember 2020.
They left, the pandemic happened and there was no Sussex stories until the autumn.
The couple did a pap walk (with Archie in a baby carrier) and released a Remembrance Day photoshoot in a cemetery. These restarted tabloid stories on them again.
Before you ask, the walk photos was with their favourite picture agency Backgrid who are the agency that are called when they want to be papped.
The Sussexes obviously sell stories to the press. The RF did it first and for longer but they are obviously leaking stories too. Some are just harmless PR puff pieces but they are obviously selling stories via their preferred journalists too.

Whaeanui · 31/03/2023 10:52

Plenty of soldiers supported him though.

skullbabe · 31/03/2023 10:54

Howsimplywonderful · 31/03/2023 09:32

its interesting no-one is disagreeing with the article - just people are mean for pointing out the lies

The article is talking about how a journalist wrote an article in 2018 about Meghan and how she discussed what she said in that article in a podcast in which she was also discussing a cult she did an investigative piece on. She’s said nothing new except for referencing a journalist recently saying that Meghan is not personable. That’s it. It’s a rehash of the same things that people have been talking about for years.

MamoruHisaishi · 31/03/2023 10:58

Roussette · 31/03/2023 10:25

Nothing would be enough. Literally nothing. Because then posters would move on to the next heinous act he has to apologise for. Then the next. Then the next.

It would never stop

Here's a question, when will Harry ever stop blaming the royal family about everything that went wrong in his life? Oh that's right, never. If only he did actually apologize for his poor behaviour and actually focus on his new life in the USA, and cut off all ties with the royal family. Maybe then people will stop accusing him of being a hypocrite for wanting his own children to be part of an institution that he claimed was so toxic that his wife nearly killed herself. If only he truly was that positive and cheerful person that the royal family presented him as, before he finally exposed himself as the complete opposite of it.

ImAvingOops · 31/03/2023 10:59

People are rarely wholly good or bad. I'm sure that they will both do great charity work that will help people. But the fact remains that if you are going to give interviews, write books, make documentary series etc, then what you say has to be true and provable! They've been repeatedly caught out claiming things that either cannot be substantiated or shown to have been untrue.
There's bound to be a backlash, not least because certain interviewers have made themselves look less credible on account of how they lapped up what was said, seemingly without any meaningful investigation into the facts.

Again, that doesn't detract from H&M having imo legitimate complaints about some press coverage.

BigBamBoom · 31/03/2023 10:59

@extramaturecheddarcheese Thank you for posting that - really impressive mix of donations to grass-roots and research projects. It does emphasize though that their PR operation must be seriously ineffective, for all that positive stuff to get lost under so much negative coverage. I really think there is a lot of good will towards Harry and Meghan on both sides of the Atlantic, and proper coverage of their philanthropy would only help them.

Beantag · 31/03/2023 11:06

The irony in harry being so keen to tell his truth (a lot of which has been disproved) is that he was well liked and very popular growing up when the media chose what to print. Now he's speaking for himself his popularity has tanked, perhaps he should reflect on how much he benefited from the royal PR machine that he criticised so heavily.

MamoruHisaishi · 31/03/2023 11:10

Mypatioisminging · 31/03/2023 10:08

To be honest I think harry gets it worse now

i understand the super fans have arrived but it’s very clear neither of them have a grasp on reality. Their truths are often proven factually incorrect

what they have done is incredibly hurtful, selling stories and interviews on the royals to settle scores made worse by the fact much of it is an altered reality by both of them.

Yes, I think it was always Harry all along who was the problem, and who set up Meghan to fail with his family. She is who she is, typical of someone who grew up with a Hollwood/influencer mindset. Harry chose her because he knew she wouldn't fit in, and probably wouldn't want to fit in if she had known from the start how rigid the rules could be. He was the one who knew the royal protocols, he was the one who had his therapist on speed dial but felt too ashamed to get his wife help. It's a good thing they finally did leave for the sake of their own mental health and for their family, but it's so bizarre how he still desperately wants to cling to the royal institution, and calls his family trapped within it yet has no problem wanting his children to be a part of it due to ‘birth right’.

oakleaffy · 31/03/2023 11:10

kirinm · 31/03/2023 10:32

@Roussette that poster is expressing sympathy for the Taliban and their family so I'm pretty sure you're right.

Read any book written by Servicemen..or speak to family members who have fought..There is usually some understanding about the people on the opposite side being in the same position.

Harry has shocked a number of servicemen by casually bragging about the people he killed.

He's losing grip of reality. In a selfish little bubble of his own making.

More intelligent, self aware Servicemen than him have written of Combat, and none has bragged.

Roussette · 31/03/2023 11:11

Whaeanui · 31/03/2023 10:35

@MamoruHisaishi you haven’t actually read his book or listened to the interviews, have you? I can tell. You’ve read the edited tabloid leaks and your entire argument is based on those.

I was just about to say this. I've been out and caught up on the thread.

It is pretty obvious just who has read the book cover to cover, listened to the interviews, listened to NF and who hasn't. But has taken DMail headlines as gospel without context.

Roussette · 31/03/2023 11:13

I've read enough of his ‘book’

Which clearly means you have not read the book cover to cover

oakleaffy · 31/03/2023 11:15

MamoruHisaishi · 31/03/2023 11:10

Yes, I think it was always Harry all along who was the problem, and who set up Meghan to fail with his family. She is who she is, typical of someone who grew up with a Hollwood/influencer mindset. Harry chose her because he knew she wouldn't fit in, and probably wouldn't want to fit in if she had known from the start how rigid the rules could be. He was the one who knew the royal protocols, he was the one who had his therapist on speed dial but felt too ashamed to get his wife help. It's a good thing they finally did leave for the sake of their own mental health and for their family, but it's so bizarre how he still desperately wants to cling to the royal institution, and calls his family trapped within it yet has no problem wanting his children to be a part of it due to ‘birth right’.

Agree...Selling stories about his family is all he can do to make money.

The hypocrisy is ridiculous.

All this wanting ''Titles''....It's because he wants to use those 'Tidles' as currency in USA.

Harry has definitely shown himself to be rather unpleasant.

Beantag · 31/03/2023 11:17

MamoruHisaishi · 31/03/2023 11:10

Yes, I think it was always Harry all along who was the problem, and who set up Meghan to fail with his family. She is who she is, typical of someone who grew up with a Hollwood/influencer mindset. Harry chose her because he knew she wouldn't fit in, and probably wouldn't want to fit in if she had known from the start how rigid the rules could be. He was the one who knew the royal protocols, he was the one who had his therapist on speed dial but felt too ashamed to get his wife help. It's a good thing they finally did leave for the sake of their own mental health and for their family, but it's so bizarre how he still desperately wants to cling to the royal institution, and calls his family trapped within it yet has no problem wanting his children to be a part of it due to ‘birth right’.

I agree with this to be honest, I don't have an opinion either way on Meghan- I suspect she was thrust into that world with little insight into the reality of it. He is a grown man, she hasn't forced him to speak ill of his family or keep making damaging gaffes, that's his choice but she seems to recieve most of the ire. I feel uncomfortable about her for other reasons but probably not the thread for it.

MamoruHisaishi · 31/03/2023 11:17

Whaeanui · 31/03/2023 10:37

I wouldbe haunted and traumatized by the knowledge that I killed a person, a human being. Only sociopaths and psycopaths wouldn't feel any sense of regret or sadness for killing people, even if they deserved it or not.

You have no idea what you’d feel actually, and you’re not a trained soldier. You also clearly haven’t followed a single thing he’s done for veterans or how he’s talked about war. Jfc

And this thread was about Meghan wasn’t it….

I feel bad enough if I hurt someone’s feelings, or if I physically hurt someone even if it was unintentional. Why wouldn't I feel awful knowing that I killed someone? Like I wrote, I have read stories from soldiers, many who have suffered PTSD, when they realised the horror of what they had done after the war had ended. These were veterans from WW1, WW2, Vietnam War. And there's a reason why the army and other soldiers became upset with Harry because they thought it was awful of him to compare humans to chess pieces or a video game.

Roussette · 31/03/2023 11:19

If only he did actually apologize for his poor behaviour

As I said, it would never be enough. Never ever ever.

I have been on these threads (on and off) for years. There is constant goalpost moving. Nothing this couple will ever do - or not do - will ever be enough for those that vilify them day in day out.

To be honest, they would only be happy if they didn't exist. Or Harry left Meghan and came back with his tail between his legs beating himself on the breast and begging for forgiveness. Then you would all continue to vilify him because begging for forgiveness would not be enough. He would have to pay somehow. Sackcloth and ashes maybe. Or a Piers Morgan / Meghan through the streets job.

Whaeanui · 31/03/2023 11:21

I love that Harry needs to apologise to his family for selling stories but it’s totally ok for Charles to hire an editor from the publication that intercepted and printed edited versions of a private letter. I mean you couldn’t make this up. The mental gymnastics people perform in order to make Harry & Meghan villains while his family literally employ people from the tabloids that have breached his wife’s private letters, and hacked his phones amongst other things. I mean Jesus. They can’t moan about Harry and then be friends with people like Clarkson, employ tabloid editors and have one of her kids working for them to boot.

He didn’t brag about his kill count either. Read the book.

MamoruHisaishi · 31/03/2023 11:23

Beantag · 31/03/2023 11:17

I agree with this to be honest, I don't have an opinion either way on Meghan- I suspect she was thrust into that world with little insight into the reality of it. He is a grown man, she hasn't forced him to speak ill of his family or keep making damaging gaffes, that's his choice but she seems to recieve most of the ire. I feel uncomfortable about her for other reasons but probably not the thread for it.

Yes agreed. As much as Meghan may have her own faults, Harry was the one who chose to betray his own family’s privacy. It benefits him that his wife gets the criticism and ire, and he gets to be the victim on both ends, whether as Meghan’s victim or as the victim of the royal family. I don’t dislike her as much as others do, because I can only imagine what she has to put up with in private if he acts that way in public.

Whaeanui · 31/03/2023 11:23

@MamoruHisaishi no I don’t believe you actually. You say you’d feel bad if you hurt peoples feelings but you’ve written some pretty terrible things knowing that you’re adding to a mountain of hate that caused Meghan to be suicidal. Besides, you haven’t read it so you have no clue what you’re talking about. Please don’t tag me about it again until you’ve read it because there’s no discussion to be had otherwise.

Whaeanui · 31/03/2023 11:24

Harry was the one who chose to betray his own family’s privacy but they don’t care about privacy, they’ve employed people who work for the publication that printed her private letter, and who Camilla’s son works for. That point is therefore invalid. Totally.

Manichean · 31/03/2023 11:27

The lengths some people will go to attack another woman.

Roussette · 31/03/2023 11:31

I know. And something tells me there is absolutely nothing to attack her about. Why is why this thread is now all about Harry.

And the article was a waste of time by the sounds of it... just regurgitating an article about an article from years ago.

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