Charles too busy to see Harry

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Really...?

He has had his State visit to France cancelled, so two days freed up.

Some families do not learn.

Has he asked William whether including his own private parts for his book to correct an old media story was cool with him though? Harry could have just corrected the story without mentioning William in it, after all it’s his life story not William’s isn’t it? Also, how is William’s baldness relevant to Harry’s story? Just wanna know

And Harry has let down not only his father but his brother too, so it goes both ways. The main difference is, both Charles and William seem to be moving on and have not mentioned Harry at all, whereas Harry seems intent on blaming and blaming and blaming his family and institution for his own screw ups.

Has he asked William whether including his own private parts for his book to correct an old media story was cool with him though? Harry could have just corrected the story without mentioning William in it, after all it’s his life story not William’s isn’t it? Also, how is William’s baldness relevant to Harry’s story? Just wanna know

I haven’t read Harry’s book as I’ve said - I’m on the reservation list for it at my local library and was told not to hold my breath because it’s a long list.

That’s why I asked if anyone who read the book could let me know what Harry actually wrote about William’s health (if differs in anyway from what’s been printed in the media)

Have you read the book?

This is the excerpt - it’s repeated in many media articles:

“My penis was a matter of public record, and indeed some public curiosity,” Harry writes. “The press had written about it extensively. There were countless stories in books, and papers (even The New York Times) about Willy and me not being circumcised.”

“Mummy had forbidden it, they all said, and while it’s absolutely true that the chance of getting penile frostbite is much greater if you’re not circumcised, all the stories were false,” he added. “I was snipped as a baby.”

As I wrote some posts back, it was the topic of (incorrect) newspaper articles when the boys were very little. (it was a topic speculated upon again by the media when Williams first born was male).

As to William being bald - anyone who cares to look at an image of William can see that. It’s no secret. Or is that something we are all supposed to see but not mention? Baldness?

Again, from excerpts, the mention about William being bald was to do with him noting that William was growing less like their mother - which is sad, poignant, I think, for someone that had lost their mum at an early age but could see her in his brother.

I think people are getting all outraged over nothing when it comes to both subjects.

unless someone who has read the book can tell me there’s more.

there are reasons to be shitty about Harry - eg the implication that someone in the Royal Family is racist that he then tried to minimise by calling it ‘unconscious bias.’

That was wrong, to my mind, but as someone else wrote in an article Harry still has more to learn about racism - (many of us do).

But hair and penises are not reasons to be outraged by Harry. Unless there is more written that is not in the oft reprinted excerpt.

@Morestrangerthings

Yes, I have read the book cover to cover. And I can tell more or less who hasn't on here, because they are focussing on the clickbait news headlines not the whole book! It honestly is not that bad... people on here talk like it is a heinous crime to write anything about your family, it's a biography! How can you not?

I wish I could write what I think without endless swide swipes by the detractors but sadly, that will probably not happen. Here goes...
No, I don't want to talk about the Matron at the school, I have addressed this before, stupid immature boys doing what stupid immature boys do.

My totally honest take from the book was... it was very Harry in that he wanted to talk about his life and he did. In very many places (which those have not read it, will not know) it was very warm about his family, especially his Dad, he spoke with great affection. No it was not William's medical history! The circumcision bit I can barely remember as there was so much more in the book.

We had a golden balls in our sibling group (probably two if the truth were known!) so I know the position of 'black sheep of the family' very very very well ! So there is sympathy for him from me. It's something that stays with you all your life and my situation was exacerbated by tragic death and other family stuff that happened. If you are that person within a family dynamic, it is set in stone from a very young age, and will never change and Harry being 'Spare' even more so. So I sort of got it, if that makes sense.

Bottom line... the clickbait headings, bald, penis etc are about 1% of the book but of course it's something to feed threads on here daily and for years to come, so boring.
The book was warm and amusing in places, bloody boring in others, but really really not as bad as some posters on here would like you to believe.

Thanks Rousette, I figured as much in regards to the book.

I’ve never asked anything about either the hair or health topics in the book before these posts. But I grew tired of seeing William’s health & hair being brought up over and over. Like a broken record. By people I suspect have not read the book. There are things Harry can be criticised for, but they are not that.

I will now just go on, as before, ignoring those ‘accusations’.

No matter how warm and relatable his book is, he has still crossed the line is some places, talking about his family and private conversations. It is not what they would have wanted or given permission for. The interviews given were very scathing about the family, he came across as very bitter and out for some sort of revenge. Even if the book was still full of fond and warm anecdotes about his family, they wouldn't have diluted the shock and hurt of the other things he has been saying.

I think people are getting all outraged over nothing when it comes to both subjects

Yes, you would be correct. As @Roussette says, you can tell who has read the book and who reads the tabloids and just repeats their fake outrage and twisted versions of what he wrote and intended.

Even the media have given up on the book now (it's all coronation coronation will they come won't they come blah blah) but the book is still very prevelant on MN.
And will be for about errrmmmm... 6 years at a guess?!

I bet you haven’t read the book yourself Rousette! My local library has a waiting list that’s HUGE for it. So plenty of people want to read it. I’ve read it. I think he’s done a hatchet job on William. His jealousy, paranoia and bitterness is ugly. Charles comes off better, but there is only grudging acknowledgment that his father did his best.

Are you calling me a liar??

OK. Have a look at this picture. It is from my EReader, that I have just taken a picture of. Spare in amongst my books on there, 99% read. . so sod off with your insinuation I haven't read it.

I disagree with your take on the book.

I have no intention of reading his book. For one, I wouldn't want to line his pockets. Another, it would somehow give credence to his whingeing.
Plus, I am just not interested enough to wade through it.

@Ishouldbeoutside

Feel free to acknowledge I quite obviously have read the book.

It's the two-facedness - complaining about being written about, then writing about others. I felt the part about William's hair loss was gleefully spiteful - not only does he not look so much like their mother anymore but he's going bald into the bargain.

Dear God. Calm down. Okay you’ve read the book!

Totally agree!

Begrudging acknowledgement from you. Got it.

It just annoys me when I am accused of something I have or haven't done.

You’re massively over reacting.

I wish I could write what I think without endless swide swipes by the detractors but sadly, that will probably not happen. Here goes...
No, I don't want to talk about the Matron at the school, I have addressed this before, stupid immature boys doing what stupid immature boys do.

The problem is though is that he has included this episode in his book, which he has written as an adult, without reflecting on the fact that it comes across as unpleasant, spiteful and ableist. The same with all the other “click bait” bits like the frozen Rodger and Williams baldness. They do not add anything to Harry’s life story. He did not need to include them, or if he did, they could have been written so as not to include the sensational details that have inevitably popped up in the media.

without reflecting on the fact that it comes across as unpleasant, spiteful and ableist.

Did you read the book? He’s aware of all of that. He was a traumatised teenage boy and teenagers are often cruel. Harry included it because someone would have written that story otherwise. I think it’s honest. It’s not something he’s bragging about ffs

Can you link that, that the papers were publishing that William had or had not been circumcised and William has confirmed ir denied it? Thanks.

Whatever else is in the book, it’s impossible to deny Harry’s bitterness about William. It makes you realise that underneath it all and in spite of the insistence that the institution is bad and toxic, he is just a very jealous man. And clearly always was.

If he were on MN and was droning on about William he would be told quite firmly that “comparison is the thief of joy” and to focus on his own (lovely) home and family. Although I would be surprised if any MNetters have the added angle of it being profitable to whinge.

have you read the book @Picklebawl of course he’s pissed at William and it’s evident. But he’s not the focus of the book.

Rousette is not ‘over reacting.’ I’ve read the exchange.

Again, from excerpts, the mention about William being bald was to do with him noting that William was growing less like their mother - which is sad, poignant, I think, for someone that had lost their mum at an early age but could see her in his brother.

He wasnt sad about it. He was being cutting. Calling his baldness 'alarming', and saying his resemblance to his mother was 'fading with time'. He wasn't writing that to say he was losing another part of his mother, he was saying that William was getting older. Nothing poignant about that.

My point is that he didn’t need to include minute and identifying details. I didn’t say he was bragging, I said he hasn’t reflected on how these things sound and that inevitably these details will become click bait even though that was not his intention