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Harry is in town to fight against the Daily Mail - VIDEO

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vera99 · 27/03/2023 09:58

I'm sure we will all wish him well fighting the good fight against the Fail !
https://twitter.com/elliecostelloTV/status/1640274470395838465

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Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 15:10

And it does look like bullying from a lurker's perspective.

It’s not bullying. How ridiculous.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 29/03/2023 15:12

@jeffgoldblum I would hardly call you a lurker. Like the rest of us you post when it suits you sometimes frequently sometimes not.

@MamoruHisaishi
From what I've read I don't see it as bullying but if a poster makes a statement through anonymously exposing themselves and their background, some also anonymous posters might call them out if they don't agree. Most will ignore or agree or empathise but they don't have to.

jeffgoldblum · 29/03/2023 15:16

Her background with slavery , means she found the royals being compared to slaves offensive.
She is entitled to her own opinion firmed by her personal experiences .
Just as others are entitled to theirs.
She didn't attack you by name or @ you , she simply said it made her feel sick reading the comment.
You are entitled to your opinion, she doesn't know your background and you don't know hers.

PlanetLuna · 29/03/2023 15:16

PastaLaVistaBabee · 29/03/2023 13:54

But he's continued taking drugs into adulthood and in fact given the message loud and clear that he thinks they r good for people's mental health. That could be incredibly damaging for vulnerable people currently looking for a way out of their despair. Ye he takes no responsibility for the impact his words and advice to take drugs, may have on others.

Yes, I experimented with drugs in my youth. But as an adult I now take responsibility and accountability for my actions. If I was a public figure I would see it as my responsibility to apologise and hold myself to account. Knowing now what I didn't before, about county lines, about drug importation and organised crime, I have no desire to be part of or promote drug culture, unlike Harry. Having worked with people with mental health probs, drug addiction, and suicidal tendencies, I would never advocate drugs as a way to solve your problems or distress.

I made many mistake in my youth. If I was to write a book about my youth, I would acknowledge my wrong doings - if I reported on an argument with my brother I would acknowledge my part in it, not just play the 'poor me' role. If I had a mocked a school matron (which I wouldn't have done) I would feel terrible about it and apologise in the book. I would also have asked them for their consent before writing about it. If I had had sex in a field with a friend I would have talked to them about how they would feel about this going in the book - not just plough on ahead with no heads up.

I am far far from perfect, but as an adult I try to be accountable for my actions. Apologise when I'm in the wrong, and continually seek to improve aspects of myself which are not good.

If I was worried about my family's security, I wouldn't aggravate the Taliban in my book. I wouldn't make a netflix documentary showing my house, my children, my partner.

If I was pissed off with my family, I'd talk about it with them in private. I would not then write a book and make a TV documentary slagging them.off to the world and revealing private conversations had after the death of a grandparent, because despite having my gripes, I have some loyalty.

There are so many things Harry has done which show no remorse or accountability and seem entirely self serving.

Aaaand…congratulations on being an adult who can make choices for yourself and your family based on your own circumstances. How nice for you.

Harry, likewise, is an adult capable of making his own choices for himself and his family. He is not you. His circumstances are not the same as yours. You don’t have to like or approve his life choices but you sure do spend a lot of words in judgement of him.

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 15:17

People are commenting back and forth to each other, nobody is particularly focused on any one poster and sorry, but if you derail a thread then you will get other posters calling that out, especially as it’s gone on the entire flipping thread!
If someone mentions a comment I made made them want to throw up, that it means I don’t have any idea of slavery or poverty, it is absolutely my right to respond to it. I did so without any form of bullying. How ludicrous to suggest given the way posters on this board behave.

jeffgoldblum · 29/03/2023 15:18

I said lurkers perspective @PreparationPreparationPrep , because sometimes just sitting back and reading makes you notice how posts come across , which isn't as obvious when your posting at the same time.

MamoruHisaishi · 29/03/2023 15:18

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 15:00

And you think you make sense? You've been nothing but absolutely rude to me. I mentioned my own family history about poverty and why I found him distasteful and you jump at me as though I'm the one attacking you.

You might want to go back to your initial comments because that’s not what happened. You were very very rude about a comment I made and made some presumptuous comments about me.

Because I said it sickens me when I read that the royal family are compared to slaves? Yes it does, because I find it bizarre that a family who has privilege millions of people can only dream about are being cast as prisoners/slaves of this institution.

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 15:19

@JaneJeffer what background with slavery? It doesn’t matter if I’m @ or not, it was my comment. If I am entitled to my opinion and they are entitled to theirs, why are you saying it’s bullying exactly? It makes no sense.

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 15:20

Oops that’s the wrong tag!! So sorry! @jeffgoldblum it should be. Darn I can’t change that.

MarshaMelrose · 29/03/2023 15:22

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 14:56

Exactly. At the time of the Levenson Enquiry, he was 27. He wasn't a child. At that enquiry, Paul Dacre said the mail group journalists were law abiding.
go find out the facts for himself? Do you mean the people employed to take care of these matters for the royal family in fact shouldn’t do their job and Harry should read everything that’s written about him and then investigate to see if any of these outlets are participating in illegal activity?

He's suing the mail over statements given in the levenson enquiry. But he's sued the Sun and the NOTW as well. He's talking about hacking in general

I mean at 27, I didn't just listen blindly to my parents and my work. I read and listened to the news for myself. And it can't take a genius, which is fortunate for Harry, to figure out what had happened. Maybe he was too busy eating pizza over his dad's sink and playing on his x-box to bother to listen to the news.

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 15:22

@MamoruHisaishi I don’t care if it sickens you but you went on to say I have no idea about real slavery and no idea about poverty. I’ve been homeless twice. My grandfather left British because they were literally starving. I’m from a working class family. So please do have an opinion on the family, but I will reserve the right to object to assumptions made about me based on my own opinion.

MamoruHisaishi · 29/03/2023 15:23

PreparationPreparationPrep · 29/03/2023 15:12

@jeffgoldblum I would hardly call you a lurker. Like the rest of us you post when it suits you sometimes frequently sometimes not.

@MamoruHisaishi
From what I've read I don't see it as bullying but if a poster makes a statement through anonymously exposing themselves and their background, some also anonymous posters might call them out if they don't agree. Most will ignore or agree or empathise but they don't have to.

So calling people thick or unimaginative or malicious isn't bullying? How exactly do you define bullying? I've not called anyone names here, I merely expressed my opinion about harry and why I dislike him.

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 15:23

I mean at 27, I didn't just listen blindly to my parents and my work. I read and listened to the news for myself. Yes but your life is obviously very very different. They paid people to do this for them for a reason. They couldn’t possibly spend the time. That’s why they have staff.

jeffgoldblum · 29/03/2023 15:24

Because wether you meant to or not , you came across quite aggressive to @MamoruHisaishi . Tagging a poster constantly and demanding information, is not something that a lot of posters particularly enjoy.

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 15:24

@MamoruHisaishi I made none of those comments. Direct this at the person who did.

PlanetLuna · 29/03/2023 15:24

MrsMaxDeWinter · 29/03/2023 14:10

Is it really possible that the posters screeching about why Harry came to court are unable to see that this was part of a coordinated campaign by the litigants?

None of them needed to be in court, not Sadie Frost , not Elton John, not Doreen Lawrence, not David Furnish....

They came en masse to attract attention to the court case.

Are posters just too unimaginative, too thick or too malicious not to see the obvious advantage of some of the litigants turning up in person?

Are posters just too unimaginative, too thick or too malicious not to see the obvious advantage of some of the litigants turning up in person?

All of the above? 😉

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 15:27

@jeffgoldblum and yet everyone on this thread has done it. I’ve been tagged incessantly, and I don’t always tag, I copy the comment and respond if someone is active on the thread generally. I don’t think it’s aggressive to continue to respond to someone tagging you or repeating your comments, or to ask them to stop derailing. It makes it very hard ti understand if you constantly are referring to things or comments unrelated to the case. It’s amazing you’ve tagged me ti tell me I’m a bully considering we haven’t been able to have a single page just talking about this case without stupid memes and endless derails. This board is full of aggressive nasty comments, you just don’t like anyone who defends Harry as much as I do. Tough.

MamoruHisaishi · 29/03/2023 15:30

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 15:22

@MamoruHisaishi I don’t care if it sickens you but you went on to say I have no idea about real slavery and no idea about poverty. I’ve been homeless twice. My grandfather left British because they were literally starving. I’m from a working class family. So please do have an opinion on the family, but I will reserve the right to object to assumptions made about me based on my own opinion.

I do apologize if I came across as demeaning your experiences but I do stand by my statement that you don't know what actual slavery is if you can compare the situation of the royal family to actual slavery. I've read the plight of African Americans who were enslaved and the horrific abuses they went through, women
And children who are currently enslaved as sex slaves by human traffickers, and many others who have no money, no way of getting out, no means of escape, no way to get their voices heard. To compare their plight to the royal family demeans their actual suffering. Hope you realise why it's upsetting to read that.

jeffgoldblum · 29/03/2023 15:31

You will notice that I haven't actually tagged you by name in any of my posts! , I genuinely rarely tag posters with exception of @MamoruHisaishi ( apologies!) , because I know some posters don't like it .

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 15:34

I’m never sure if tagging is rude or not, but it helps to know on a busy thread who someone refers to, but I prefer to copy the comment and respond. However, I stop tagging if asked no problem. I tagged the poster you’re talking about like 3 times, I was tagged by them, and I don’t mind: it’s not bullying is it.

MarshaMelrose · 29/03/2023 15:35

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 15:23

I mean at 27, I didn't just listen blindly to my parents and my work. I read and listened to the news for myself. Yes but your life is obviously very very different. They paid people to do this for them for a reason. They couldn’t possibly spend the time. That’s why they have staff.

Harry was in the army at 27. He had breaks,during the day, days off, nights off, holidays. He could read the newspaper as easily as I could. He didn't need staff to read him the newspapers.
OMG, how low do we set the bar for Harry? He's incapable of reading the newspapers for himself at 27 on his days off so he has to pay people to do it for him. No wonder William used to get so frustrated with him.

Bluespecsandshoes · 29/03/2023 15:37

MarshaMelrose · 29/03/2023 14:49

Exactly. At the time of the Levenson Enquiry, he was 27. He wasn't a child. Why didnt he get off his self-pitying, drunken butt and go find out the facts for himself? Honestly, the more he goes on, the more of an inept and incapable individual I find him to be. I used to really like him but knowing what we know now, he was just a party prince getting wasted. And now he wants to blame everyone else for the fact he was so ineffectual and uninterested in dealing with his life.

Er, because he was out doing what he is great at, which is talking to veterans and ordinary members of the general public, and had a professional team of people working for him to take care of that sort of thing? It’s really not that difficult to understand.

By the sound of it half of them were in cahoots with favoured journalists though. He’s only recently come to understand the corrupt way it all works. Hence his book and media appearances on the subject.

Of course he and Meghan suffered massive press intrusion. Journalists hanging out of neighbour’s bathrooms windows. I don’t think any of us can comprehend the hideousness of it unless you have been subjected to it. And how it impacts on every single aspect of a person’s life. Imagine if you were worried that the technician who did your ultrasound scan might be approached by journalists and bribed? At some point it makes absolute sense to take control of the narrative, rather than it controlling you.

Harry became suspicious of friends because the press were getting hold of stories they couldn’t possibly know unless they were were part of his inner circle. Then he learned about methods used by journalists working for other publications.

And btw, he has said many times publically, that he has made many, many private overtures to the RF to try and heal rifts and come to an understanding, away from cameras, and it was only after he had tried and tried again to get them to listen, and they refused to acknowledge there was even an issue, that he decided to go public.

To my mind, let’s just speculate, that if some senior members of the RF have allegedly made some sort of Faustian pact with important figures within certain newspaper groups say, to promote and safeguard their own image, just as Hugh Grant said previous Prime Ministers have had to do in the past, then it’s quite possible that certain figures within BP may not have liked the idea of young Hal rushing in and upsetting the apple cart! It makes sense to me anyway!

The most worrying aspect of all of this is the stranglehold these press barons have on every institution within the uk right up to the very top.

Whether it was a wise move or not for Harry to go public, I don’t know, but as a pp pointed out, he is in fact, whether they appreciate it or not, doing the rest of the RF a huge favour in the long term, by lending his presence to these proceedings. And he can do what they can’t, now he is outside of the institution. It’s certainly very brave of him but at this point he probably thinks he doesn’t have much more left to lose. Good on him I say!

jeffgoldblum · 29/03/2023 15:37

I didn't say you were a bully, I just said it looked like bullying behaviour, from a few posters , feelings run high on rf threads , especially when trying to get thier own opinions across.
Everyone's opinions should be given equal value.

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 15:40

Hope you realise why it's upsetting to read that.

No I don’t. There are different forms of slavery. I think being born into a role that exposes your entire life and means you have to walk behind your mothers coffin as a young boy to please the masses you have to perform for, is a form of enslavement. A form of commodification. Lots of people think the same. It’s not a comparison to other forms of slavery. A lot of people talk in the past tense about slavery, unaware or unconcerned that girls and women are trafficked as sex slaves around the world. I’m sure they don’t mean harm either. You’ll notice I said earlier Maori women were sold as sex slaves, I’m Maori, and the marae my grandmother was born on was the site of mass rape and enslavement of my ancestors. So you have your experience and opinion. I have mine. If mine makes you upset or sick, it doesn’t matter to me and you’re entitled to share that. But you followed on that I must then know nothing ot slavery and poverty, which is why I responded.

PlanetLuna · 29/03/2023 15:41

MamoruHisaishi · 29/03/2023 14:34

I’m relying on our media here and so far the focus was on Harry mostly. Even the Washington Post’s headline was about him, this is from someone who is outside the UK and therefore only knows what the international media are saying.

Nope.

The WP article descriptions make clear the lawsuit is not just about Harry.

Harry is in town to fight against the Daily Mail - VIDEO
Harry is in town to fight against the Daily Mail - VIDEO
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