Sussex's snubbed on both sides of the Atlantic

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Harry and Meghan will be invited to the coronation - by necessity - but this toxic pair will be kept at a careful arm's length by all and sundry, excluded from the balcony or carriage procession, and probably positioned somewhere suitably inconspicuous. Most of the family will be wary of them, most will wherever possible avoid them and the crowds will likely boo them. There will be no lucrative photo ops with William or Kate. The Wales children will be in the limelight, but Harry and Meghan's children will be excluded, due to age.

Meanwhile, over in the States, where they no doubt expected to be feted when they planned their dramatic departure from the UK, opinion polls reveal them to be less popular now than even Prince Andrew. South Park mocked them to general acclaim and The Cut published a contemptuous piece about the possible relaunch of the Tig last week.

They've been snubbed and excluded from every big social event, from the Met Gala to Obama's birthday party and Elton John's Oscar's bash. The only parties they have attended have been those hosted by social pariahs like Ellen de Generes.

They are coming across as increasingly desperate and embarrassing. It's hard to to see any possible comeback from here.

Really? I understand it’s horribly expensive to broadcast initially but according to this article:

www.newsweek.com/queen-elizabeth-funeral-tv-broadcast-viewership-audience-1744187

the Queen’s funeral was watched by half of the population of the world in 74 different countries. I would have thought that would be potentially quite lucrative? Do they only charge a nominal fee perhaps?

didn't the RF get upset with the BBC about something? I thought that was why Kates piano thing was on ITV?
I will enjoy watching the Coronation. hate the volunteering thing on the monday, its a bank holiday and a lot of people will not get paid for it.

Oh yes!

Opinions are like arseholes. We've all got one! 😂

Yes. I'd like to think the volunteering app was encouraging people long term really. God knows what you'd do on the Monday!

The RF did limit what bits BBC could show after Queen's funeral. There was a bit of a hoo ha I think.

I think it cost tens of millions to cover Kate and William’s wedding - the BBC refused to release exact figures.

They will have charged as much as they can get away with to foreign broadcasters I’m sure. Although different prices depending on reciprocal agreements with certain overseas broadcasters.

I suspect there’s also money made years afterwards for things like DVD sales etc.

I wish there was a “like” button on here! Agree with every word!

I am really grateful we have Mumsnet as a virtual local Wordler 😊

Thank you for very much for the explanation. I suppose it goes some way to support the efforts of the UK’s decimated post-Brexit-post-Boris-FO in shoreing up our sinking global reputation which is all good!

** that’s about the only upside I can see though! Apart from the bank holiday!

I will be doffing my cap on Magic Hat Day. Good luck to King Chuck and Queen Milly
Signed
Serf and Peasant

I like all the pomp and ceremony - and the historical elements. It's fascinating to me that this ceremony has its roots in a ceremony that took place in 973 AD. Over one thousand years of coronations.

I do agree that there should be more transparency with costs though. A detailed budget would be the best way to go forward.

The American inaugurations are funded by voluntary donations which could be a way forward. Spend a year raising money for it and then you get the coronation scaled to whatever you've been able to raise.

Although you'd still need oversight to prevent abuse - it came out that Trump had used his donations to rent out part of a Trump hotel for $1.5 million. And spent $10,000 on makeup and room service for 20 aides at one of the evening events.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-inauguration-cost-committee-hotel-room-service-flight-melania-a8728311.html

Me too! But I think it’s genuinely come to the point where the institution of the monarchy is no longer appropriate for the 21st century, not to mention psychological torture for the individuals concerned. Release the poor Windsor children in to the wild I say! 😃

Seriously though, the history of a country can continue to be just as interesting as a republic. So called “ordinary” people are just as fascinating as Kings and baubles!

We still have our wonderful beleaguered armed forces and our history, hopefully no one can take those away, the UK will just evolve differently and more fairly, without huge privilege and wealth embedded at the very heart of our society, as if those values, above all else, are to be lauded.

I known that the wealth of the monarchy is not all private wealth and it’s presented to us as “protecting valuable assets for the nation” but really? If that is the case, why is there such a lack of transparency over the combined wealth of the crown estates, and the Duchys of Cornwall and Lancaster? And why are royal wills not subject to the same scrutiny as those of the general public? And why do they get to pay less tax than us?

Imho, if the RF are supposed arbiters of upright values, who do charitable works, boost public and national morale , and leads lives of genuine service (and if not, what are they for?) then they have to put their own house(s) in order first, and slim down drastically, in order to have any credibility at all!

And the slimming down has to come willingly from them as their own initiative. Not forced upon them. Does anyone see any signs of that happening? Of course not! It would be like turkeys voting for Christmas and it would take a much stronger man than Charles to pull it off!

Apologies Wordler I was interrupted when writing that and I hadn’t seen your post about transparency of costs. It’s good we can agree on some things! 😁😁

I absolutely agree about transparency of costs too.

I also don’t know about private donations - do you want the kings royal gown to have ‘sponsored by British Gas on the back 🤣🤣🤣🤣’

I'm what I'd call 'mildly a monarchist' and I'm open to a republic if a suitable head-of-state alternative can be found.

I'm particularly concerned that we find an alternative that isn't just a replica of the current parliament election system with an endless parade of Boris clones elected who will not have what's best for the country at heart.

I think that Charles and William do care about the stewardship side of the job and work to preserve and protect the lands, historical buildings and art etc.

I don't know if you've ever watched any of the Peter Boghossian videos where he gets people to debate an issue by having them stand along a line of points from strongly agree to [question of the debate] to strongly disagree. And then he asks them why they pick their initial starting point and then keeps going back to them to see if hearing the others' views has changed their mind. He sometimes asks what would it take to make you move just one step away from their initial position.

I would say I am one step to the left of neutral on keeping the monarchy. What would make me take one step to neutral would be if Charles doesn't take steps to put this slimmed-down version of the monarchy into place. And what would make me take two firm steps to the pro-republican side would be if we by some terrible accident ended up with a monarch or heir who was clearly not going to be good for the role.

Here's a good example of the way this debate works - you can see in this discussion that people can change their position on a topic. It's known as street epistemology.

Who offered you that service? 😆I know the answer but I'm not gonna share with you. JeffGoldblum confirmed they saw it from two posters.

FFR I don't respond to frothing idiots who can't be arsed to find it themselves. Don't wait get a life.

Lol ok.

Great explanation!

I'm not naming them either, the bunfight it would start would be too epic!

Oh I’m much more amazed at your maths skills than any bun fight, where two equates to “a lot of”. Must be a struggle when numbers aren’t your strong point!

Are you addressing me @Glitteratitar ?
Because if so I would like you to point out where I said a lot?
I didn't, I said two.

Here is some interesting maths
Over 33% of the posts on this thread of over 500 posts are from 2.6% of the total number of posters ie just 2 individuals who have posted 172 times between them.

I think this is fairly representative of more general support for the Sussexes.

😁

Good grief. Big brother is watching us!

It's a public forum

They brought in BIG MATHS 😂

Shook.