Sussex's snubbed on both sides of the Atlantic

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Harry and Meghan will be invited to the coronation - by necessity - but this toxic pair will be kept at a careful arm's length by all and sundry, excluded from the balcony or carriage procession, and probably positioned somewhere suitably inconspicuous. Most of the family will be wary of them, most will wherever possible avoid them and the crowds will likely boo them. There will be no lucrative photo ops with William or Kate. The Wales children will be in the limelight, but Harry and Meghan's children will be excluded, due to age.

Meanwhile, over in the States, where they no doubt expected to be feted when they planned their dramatic departure from the UK, opinion polls reveal them to be less popular now than even Prince Andrew. South Park mocked them to general acclaim and The Cut published a contemptuous piece about the possible relaunch of the Tig last week.

They've been snubbed and excluded from every big social event, from the Met Gala to Obama's birthday party and Elton John's Oscar's bash. The only parties they have attended have been those hosted by social pariahs like Ellen de Generes.

They are coming across as increasingly desperate and embarrassing. It's hard to to see any possible comeback from here.

Given the cost of living crisis, I think a £100 million (if that is the price and will we ever know?) is shocking tbh. It's even more shocking imho that in the 21st century we will never properly know precisely what it will all cost! The whole process should be much more accountable. And I think the decision to spend so much could seriously backfire this time tbh.

Anyway, given the circumstances, I don't understand why they couldn't have just added the Coronation on to Trooping the Colour.

Everyone always says "oh you can't change traditions" but the RF do it all the time. For example, the then Charles, Prince of Wales, had his investiture at Caernarvon Castle in 1969, whereas Prince William became Prince of Wales, to my knowledge, without any ceremony at all!

And all the traditions were toned down during the pandemic so it is possible.

They could have brought the Trooping of the Colour forward and then had a small televised but toned down ceremony in Westminster Cathedral and kept it to one day. Inviting all the heads of other countries serves some purpose in terms of soft diplomacy I suppose but they have all recently attended the Queen's funeral, which lets face it, was probably was the ceremony of the century, so there is no need to have another on such a grand scale so soon, especially, without wishing to sound impolite, given that Charles or Camilla are not particularly popular and Charles probably only has a decade or so on the throne left. In other words, to be blunt, I think people would begrudge spending that much on crowning William much less!

I'm sure some of the European countries just had very pared down ceremonies when their monarchs abdicated and passed the title down. I know Charles's circumstances are rather different but if he is as hard-working as they say he is, he could have really toned it down and had a strikingly beautiful but modern ceremony, without all of the pomp, say in a courtyard at Windsor , with a small chamber orchestra with young musicians from each area of his realm, and then got on with the job.

Sorry that post was too long with dreadful grammar but in summary what I was trying to say was that I think people would have respected Charles for toning the whole thing down. I mean his leadership role or rather the institution of the monarchy wouldn't be diminished by abandoning the pomp for the Coronation, following the late Queen's funeral as closely as it does. There's room for a much simpler ceremony imo.

@Finestripes202

i would be confident there will be a fully costed report prepared by the government after the coronation. It will probably include income too from selling the TV rights etc as other countries will buy them

Security seems to be by far the highest cost,

@Finestripes202 I'm sorry I just don't buy that Brits will care how much Charles spends on his coronation, we all know who they reserve their outrage for.

@Finestripes202

the pomp is what sells the rights for money around the world. I’m not British but found it quite amazing to watch.

Really? Has this ever happened before?

Maybe! I don't know though, I think there is perhaps more republican feeling out there than one might imagine, it's just there aren't many public places you can express it nowadays (except on Mumsnet of course! Thank you Mumsnet Towers! 😄).

I am an interested Republican btw just to be clear; interested bc I am a history buff too.

@Finestripes202
Love your long post and so agree with it.

I have said endlessly on here, if it was really pared down, slimmed down, I would have far more respect for the RF. But it isn't. It's a 3 day extravaganza yet again. Tacking it on to the Trooping of the Colour would have been far more appropriate.

Why on earth did Charles say it was going to be slimmed down? Cutting the time of the anointing stuff and asking only 3,000 instead of 8,000 or whatever is not paring it down. It's costing more than £100million during a cost of living crisis. Anyway Finestripes put it far better than me. Something simple but beautiful would have been so much better.

And as for having a full breakdown of the costs, you're having a larf! We don't see full breakdowns of anything... look at refurb of BP, costing £369 million. What do we see on that? Is it on budget? We will never see anything. Bear in mind the Queen only paid for Windsor Castle after the fire when there was a huge public outcry about taxpayers footing the bill. The RF tell us enough about finances just to shut us up. No more.

I found the Queen's funeral interesting to watch too, especially the elements that took place in Scotland.

Excuse my ignorance but who receives the money derived from TV rights?

I know that the BBC has suspended their licence fee for the Coronation and concert, but not much beyond that.

Most of that cost will be on people’s wages ?
Troops are hardly overpaid, or police

If it was a simplified thing, there would not be the huge security costs would there?

The BBC gets money from foreign broadcasters to stream their feed - at both William and Harry’s wedding the BBC ‘gave’ the money to the couple who then donated it to charities of their choosing.

That's a very good point about the Windsor fire Roussette and more recently King Charles not having to pay inheritance tax on the Duchy of Lancaster estate to the worth £652 million on which the rest of us mere mortals would have to pay 40%!

Why on earth did Charles say it was going to be slimmed down?

I don't know, I vaguely remember reading in the papers that the original plan was to have it slimmed down and that, following feedback on the Queen's funeral, there were protests within the palace about it, on the grounds we should be proud to be British and not hide our light under a bushel or something ... heaven knows where I read that though!

That's interesting! And what will happen to the money derived from the Coronation? Will it go straight in to the coffers of the BBC?

It was deffo going to be low key. Then suddenly it all changed. 3 days, yet another concert, and all the razzamatazz.

And it was put to us as something we want? Well.... not everybody does! The publicity and endless news on it is going to increase all the time. News on what children do what. What will be worn. Who will sit where. Who will walk where. Who will wear what crown. Which tiara. So superficial. Blah blah...

I do applaud the Big Help Out app... anything to encourage volunteering is good in my book. If Charles had concentrated on that alongside a short ceremony, I would've been impressed.

But I am happy to link it endlessly... I've been a volunteer for yonks. Here it is...
thebighelpout.org.uk/

Which tiara. So superficial.

Let's get rid of all big national events in the UK. The Olympics, the Commonwealth Games the FA cups in England and Scotland in fact all football matches, Eurovision Song Contest. Trooping of the Colour, jubilees everything.
They all cost money to organise. We could give it all to the NHS. Then we could make Gary Lineker prime minister since he would be out of a job as a pundit.

Now you're just being silly derxa lol

Do point out where anyone has suggested that? !

Talk about extremes!

There's a grain of truth in it it though. Think of all the money that could be saved but also consider the livelihoods of people who derive income from all these events. Your attitude is stuff them. NHS! NHS! NHS! ad infinitum

People are acting like the money is going into the pocket of a rich person, but it’s largely going into the police, army, royal guards, support staff, trades people.

You are muddling me up with someone else. Nowhere on MN have I mentioned the NHS.
Why do you say I said stuff I didn't?! Ad infinitum? Nope, not typed the words NHS anywhere.

I am talking about the Coronation when we've just had a State funeral (nothing wrong with that) but also a Jubliee pageant thing.

The money is not going into the police, army or royal guards. They just take the salary they always take.

Tradespeople could well benefit yes, and that is a good thing. But, bearing in mind the huge cost of this extravaganza, I think it is bloated.

Exactly

I'd love to know how the money is going to the police! Or the army! If so we must tell the Minister for Armed Forces, I bet he'll be pleased.

How can we forget the comedy microphone 🤣