HRH Prince Archie Harrison 0f Sussex and HRH Princess Lilibet Diana of Sussex

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Will Sussex be their last names? How does that work?

My issue with the 'comment' is this ...
Meghan tells Oprah that this was said to Harry when she was pregnant with Archie.
Harry comes on and says No, this was said when they started dating.
So we already have two different accounts of the conversation, Harry refuses to say what the actual comment was or who said it.
So we are already arguing about a second hand conversation with Harry, who by his own words doesn't remember everything exactly as it happened.
Next he backtracked on a tv interview and basically says it wasn't the way he implied it was!.
So he told Meghan a story, let her tell it and then threw her to the wolves by changing tact afterwards !
What a great husband!

If you're going to make that sort of accusation you have to be specific, or it hurts multiple people who don't deserve it

Precisely - but to some (and not just H&M) these anonymous accusations seem to serve very well, probably because there are so many who'll run with them and fill in the blanks according to taste

We see it on here all the time: "The thread's full of (insert ism of choice)" ... "Is it? Could you give an example?" ... Silence ... and I've never been sure how it helps anything

@jeffgoldblum I’ve just been watching that moment. Harry specially says the skin colour of his child, I did not hear him say it happened when they were dating, do you have a link? I can’t find that discrepancy in their comments.
There’s a few inconsistencies with the way that interview is relayed here in general, not you specifically. Like the whole title conversation and that people say Meghan got it wrong because he wasn’t entitled to it when he was born etc she actually says it in reference to grandchild of the monarch, that it is automatic when Charles would become king, not when the child was born, and that there were conversations then about changing it before that, along with that their kids wouldn’t get security. My view is that they’ve said a few things that indicate they wanted to start really sliming it down before Charles became king so that only William and his family have titles, security, working roles. I believe that is to explain why their decision to leave shouldn’t have got the reaction it did as the institution gave a lot of indications it’s what they wanted.

@Whaeanui

You can google for the transcript of the interview.

You are correct. He didn’t say it was when they were dating specifically, but he did say it was “right at the beginning “Here’s a link to the whole article

@smilesy thank you. He didn’t contradict her statement about skin colour of the baby then. It wouldn’t make sense to ask about a baby before she was pregnant. He said there were conversations about her working etc before the wedding.

@Whaeanui , you need to read above the screenshot posted, he was referring to the skin colour comment, being right at the beginning.

@MamoruHisaishi - does Harry honestly expect people to believe that an adult male did not realise the words he used were racist?

his mother had a long relationship with Hasnat Khan, who is a British Pakistani. His family visited Kensington Palace to meet Diana.
her good friend, Jemima Goldsmith was married to Imran Khan, a world famous cricketer for Pakistan and who became Prime Minister of Pakistan.

so he definitely knew people from Pakistan/with Pakistani heritage.

and yet adult Harry was impervious to the fact that using the P word was racist. Yeah, right.

@jeffgoldblum I would like to see it, that article has already missed a step in that conversation. I saw a clip just now that has him saying… ‘I was a bit shocked.’ Then Oprah’ can you tell us exactly what was said’ and he said ‘no I’m not comfortable with that. I am never going to share that conversation’. I don’t think it’s him saying something majorly different to her on that issue. I think there’s an absence of detail, deliberately, and they’re trying to set a scene where these issues were all raised and made her feel unwanted, uncomfortable and unwelcome, and that they didn’t know how to handle her race in general, press and public reaction and their own. I do find this a little nitpicky. If I say, my fathers side made offensive comments about my skin colour and my children’s, I might not remember exact detail but I know it happened and I felt insulted. I know kids at school said it too, I know a group laughed at me because my younger sister just arrived and was very white, but I can’t recall their names or where we were or exactly what was said. I won’t remember every word of my DH’s family member telling me not to teach my kids Maori in my house, but I know it was said and the house we lived in. It doesn’t mean I’m making things up because I can’t recall every little detail. I understand this is a bigger platform, but they had been through a lot and I find the immediate jump to disprove those claims by people in general, to be more revealing than anything the two of them said in the interview.

@Whaeanui , it's definitely him saying the comment happened at the very beginning, however because of the nature of the interview and having separate segments it's difficult to find full clips!
Also strangely different cuts of the interview was shown in different countries!
I'm not disputing what the comment was and whether it was racist as we don't really know exactly what was said.
As a white woman I would never discount what a poc finds offensive or upsetting, just that obviously whatever the comment was that it was said to Harry and he related it to Meghan, he may have only told her about it when she was pregnant and she misunderstood and thought it happened then, however he should of clarified that with her before letting her say that on tv , as it only gives other's ammunition about the facts being wrong, instead of concentrating on the important issue of the comment being racist.

Here’s the bit before andHere’s the full transcript

I'm also fairly shocked that he back tracked in the interview, did he ask Meghan first?
He is a white privileged male , he shouldn't be having this conversation about whether he thinks things are not racist after his wife has said they were!
I've said before, I blame Harry for all that has occurred.
Meghan being blamed for his actions is typical, always the woman's fault what a man does.

@jeffgoldblum doesn’t it seem more likely it was said when she was pregnant? Even in the article I don’t really see him outright saying, they asked about skin colour of any potential babies when we were first dating. Even the comment re her continuing to work, that was after the engagement, not at the beginning of them dating. I think if people are focused on disproving what they’re saying it won’t matter how they said it. Remember the palace made a single statement and that’s that, nobody goes over and over it like this. Plus they didn’t deny his claims did they? Recollections may vary. Something was said. Both Harry and Meghan felt uncomfortable with it, that’s enough for me. I do understand some people think they should have said who said it and exactly what. Part of me thinks that and part of me thinks it would create real problems if the person was going to be king or queen one day. If you consider the thing with Lady Hussey, the reactions to both women were extreme and really impacted their lives, the charity the woman ran… our cancel culture, everyone is evil or saintly mentality, I think it impacts how he has navigated this.

Did she say they said racist things?

Also just watched the interview with that guy Tom from ITV? Is it? Anyway Harry said Meghan didn’t say racist, and he also said they asked about ‘his skin colour’ so seems like it’s when she was pregnant

@Whaeanui ,not outright just implied really , and this is the problem, we all have no idea one way or the other!
And that really means that each of us will interpret what was said through are own personal lens .
We all have particular feelings about different experiences.
With forces background with my dh in Afghanistan and Iraq , I took offence at certain comments Harry made , others did not !

That would make more sense, however Harry often says things that don't always make sense! 🤷‍♀️

True, I think he has made the point about unconscious bias well. It’s not always from a place of white supremacy, but of ignorance due to environment. But I will say, racism is a very different thing to rudeness or disagreeing with how one talks about their own war experience. There is a real lack of understanding of what it’s like to be biracial and how people treat you as not quite fitting in to either box, a curiosity almost sometimes and also discounting our experiences with racism because it’s not as serious or common as someone fully black or not mixed race. Meghan has had death threats based on her tainting royal blood. That’s just so much worse than any discomfort or embarrassment for the royals over these comments being made public.

I bow to your superior knowledge on these things, I have no experience obviously.
That's why I don't critique Meghan and stay well away from racism discussion.
Harry however for me has no barrier to me criticising his actions, he's said and done some fairly racist comments himself.
And other comments from his book also offended me personally ( due to health issues I have) .

Basically I think he's a knob! 🤣

😂 i don’t care if people think that. On certain things I think people are overly harsh. If someone learns from and moves on from a racist past, then I see it as positive. My own dad, weirdly, many years ago could say things I considered racist and he would debate me over it. He’s come a long way now and even learnt Maori. It would be wrong of me to judge him purely on his past when in the present he’s embracing the culture.

My mil once said something derogatory about Jews! , I was really shocked 😮 and admit I gave her a bit of a lecture, she's such a nice person normally, although age and religion may have played into the stereotype of the comment she said .

And it was the death threats towards Meghan, and also the death threats to Harry (for which a person was sent to prison) that makes me wonder at why there was no money to pay for security for Meghan and, later, Archie. Harry could have security, just not his wife and child.

I remember watching an interview (last year I think) with a just retired member of Scotland Yard police force who said he thought the death threats were very serious.

Death threats that also included one incidence of Meghan being sent a substance that looked like anthrax powder, if I remember correctly.

No security. Ffs. No wonder Meghan left.

Whaeanui, how painful it must be to have your experiences of racism discounted by people.

No security. Ffs. No wonder Meghan left.

What do you mean by 'no security'?

She had full round the clock security when she was a working royal. She then chose to find freedom on another continent.

im pretty sure only Charles, Camilla, William and his family get full time security. Anne and the others only get security when they are actually attending a work commitment.

I’ve seen this mentioned on this royal family forum many times by people who argue that Meghan should not have expected full time security.

if I’m wrong with this, and I could be as the amount of minutiae brought up on these royal family forums is extraordinary, I’m happy to stand corrected.

Didn’t Meghan say during the OW interview that Archie would not get security: