HRH Prince Archie Harrison 0f Sussex and HRH Princess Lilibet Diana of Sussex

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Will Sussex be their last names? How does that work?

Not sure @Whaeanui ! , it's very odd isn't it?
Won't name poster but if you check the Nike thread not in S&G you will recognise the name !

Ok seen it @jeffgoldblum it’s strange… very very strange

@Whaeanui , it is right? , I'm not being a conspiracy theorist am I?
I really wish name changing was not allowed or something let you know!

No, they are not, the palace was trying to create new rules specifically for Archie. Hence H&M realised they were because of his race

The only suggestion that the palace was ever considering doing that is Meghan, in the OW interview, citing Harry as the source. I'm not sure we can rely on their uncorroborated word on anything.

All we know for sure is that the palace did no such thing

But Harry and Meghan:
Didn't say what was said
Didn't say who said it
Each have claimed it was said at different times in their relationship
Meghan didn't hear the conversation so is relaying (or not relaying ) the conversation 3rd hand
Harry has rowed back on the racism claim
They've been wrong about Archie's titles (and are using the title Prince )so what's all the fuss been about (and not used the Earl of Dumbarton title because, what, not princely/good enough?)

So, they've flung a lot of dirt, implicated a whole family and that's ok?

I think of it this way - if I was at work and one of my small team was accused of abhorrent behaviour and the whole company knew about it - but not who it was - I’d be pissed off about that - if it’s damaging too bad- anyone saying such a thing knows that is wrong and deserves what they get - anyway I’ll stop banging on 😃

how do you even defend what he said about Lady Hussey when her comments to Ngozi Fulani have caused offence/been viewed as racist? For someone who supposedly has become enlightened to the horrors of racism, why didn’t he condemn her remarks like what William did instead of dismissing her comments as not meaning to cause harm? What gave him the right, as a privileged white man, to dismiss a black woman’s racist experience because the person who caused it didn’t mean to cause offence?

For someone who supposedly has become enlightened to the horrors of racism, why didn’t he condemn her remarks like what William did instead of dismissing her comments as not meaning to cause harm?

Presumably because, unlike William, he has left

So he really has no locus in what one of the late Queen's ladies-in-wating did, some years after he left.

How do you even know that the conversation actually happened? Harry has been proven to tell lies..and the way he’s now reworded this incident to unconscious bias, if the conversation did actually happen it’s beginning to sound more like curiosity as to how their kids would look like. I don’t think there is racist about that. Will the kids have blue, green, brown eyes? Brown, blonde or red hair? Will they have freckles? Or their father’s nose or mother’s face? Their mother or father’s complexion etc?

how do you even defend what he said about Lady Hussey

I didn’t. It’s possible to say something inappropriate or even racist and not realise how awful it is, especially if you’ve not been around people of that culture. I don’t think you genuinely care about that issue though. You clearly don’t care about the racism Meghan experienced, which was significant and caused her a lot of emotional harm.

How do you even know that the conversation actually happened? that’s an interesting next comment to make given the last one re Lady Hussey. I think you’re being disingenuous again.

if the conversation did actually happen it’s beginning to sound more like curiosity as to how their kids would look like No. if it were Harry wouldn’t be offended. As I’ve said, I’ve had my skin colour discussed like this because I’m biracial, and my family members and I endure this ‘curious’ kind of questioning about why we’re all different, what our kids will look like… and it’s really not very nice. As I’ve said.

Self-reported.

Doesn't mean it isn't true, of course. But doesn't mean it is, especially as the initial story was varied.

I say that as a member of a family of mixed heritage, before I get accused of racism.

Please give an example of the racist treatment that Meghan experienced in the hands of the royal family? Was it because Catherine and william didn’t want to hug her (a stranger to them at the time), or that Catherine (pregnant at the time) was reluctant to share lipgloss with her? Or that Catherine asked her to get the flower dresses redone again because they didn’t fit? Or that William was upset because the staff complained to him that she was bullying them? Or is it because she went to HR (which is meant to help the royal staff who work for the senior royals) to get help for her mental health, and was supposedly denied help even though her own husband admitted he felt so ashamed that he never told his family about it and didn’t ask his own therapist for help despite having them on speed dial? Or was it Meghan’s claim that her passport, drivers license was taken and she couldn’t travel anywhere she wanted to even though she was able to go to New York for her baby shower? As for the racist treatment by the British people, was it when millions of people in the UK went to watch and celebrate her wedding to Harry? Please do tell when Meghan experienced all this racist treatment at the hands of the royal family and British people

Though of course I will be!

I have zero reason to think they made it up and given the royal family history & the lack of diversity of royal staff, I have every reason to think what they claim is true.

As a member of a dual heritage family, I have to say not everyone who claims racism is believable, some are using it to cover up their own poor behaviour.

Tho there is a huge amount of direct and indirect racism. Unless we get some info about what was said, and in what context, I don't think anyone can assume racism or not racism

Belief can only occur when then is no proof one way or the other

I suppose it comes down to whether you think people should be considered innocent unless proved guilty, or whether accusation should be sufficient to convict

No, they are not, the palace was trying to create new rules specifically for Archie. Hence H&M realised they were because of his race.

Based on what exactly? Harry and Meghan’s words? What exactly were these new rules? If you mean about Charles wanting to slim down the royal family, that had been well know years before Meghan even entered the picture and that had nothing to do with Archie. And Meghan specifically tied the royal titles to the issue of security so the idea came from her, which was a complete lie.

Harry was not referring to a photoshoot. He was talking about real bike rides.
He was traumatised by the British press and knows who they are, and how they would lie about his wife the next day. At least the American paps will just publish the pic without 'insider' info from the palace source - aka, lies.

these are the exact words that Harry said:

“The highlight for me is sticking [my son, Archie] on the back of a bicycle in his little baby seat and taking him on bike rides, which is something I was never able to do when I was young,” the prince claimed at the time. “I can seat him on the back, and he’s got his arms out, and he’s like, ‘Whoa.’”

You are the one putting your own spin on his own words. Harry didn’t mention anything about staged photos versus real bike rides. And the photos were taken at a distance, harry was seated on the back of charles bike which was seemingly in motion. So no, regardless of the intent of those photos, Harry’s own words show that he was wrong and he either lied or ‘forgot’ that those photos exist.

As a person of colour myself, whose own country had been colonised for hundreds of years, why wouldn’t I genuinely care about this issue? I do also care when people show their hypocrisy though. Why didn’t harry express his sympathy towards the Ngozi Fulani instead of lady Hussey? Even the royal family, including William, didn’t go so far as to defend lady Hussey by saying that they loved her and that she didn’t mean to cause any harm. Harry did, he minimised/dismissed a person’s experience of racism.

Based on your dismissal of Meghans experience. As I said, I think you’re a disingenuous poster so I shan’t be engaging again.

i asked a genuine question as to what were the racist incidents that Meghan experienced when she was in the royal family, and you interpret that as a dismissal of her experience? And I’m supposed to be the one acting disingenuous here? I think we both know why you won’t be engaging again, because you can’t find actual examples of these racist experiences. Not even Harry has been able to prove it in his spare book.

@MamoruHisaishi

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/22/princess-michael-apologises-wearing-racist-jewellery-meghan-markle-christmas-lunch

Do you have an excuse for this?

So the only example you can give is a person who also married into the Royal family, and who had also been reported to be widely disliked by members of the royal family because of her behaviour, wore a racist brooch. Princess Michael is not a good example because she hardly interacts with the senior members of the royal family. Meghan would have hardly had to interact with her as well and I’m sure no one in the royal family would have approved Princess Michael wearing that racist brooch.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1749489/princess-michael-of-kent-feud-spt?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

the only royals, apart from Princess Michael, who has had racist controversies about them was prince Phillip and prince harry.