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HRH Prince Archie Harrison 0f Sussex and HRH Princess Lilibet Diana of Sussex

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Price21210 · 11/03/2023 21:03

Will Sussex be their last names? How does that work?

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Theunamedcat · 05/04/2023 21:58

The only real difference in their upbringing was William had seperate "lessons with granny" as he was to be king so he needed more information Harry had more freedom than his brother

notanotheroneagain · 05/04/2023 22:20

MamoruHisaishi · 03/04/2023 05:07

Why would you even want your kids to be tied to a family/an institution that is supposedly so toxic that Harry was traumatised growing up in it? Or that it nearly killed his wife? Or that it’s tied to colonialism/racism? Regardless if it’s their birthright/legacy, since they live in a country where royal titles aren’t even recognised, why would you publicly claim those for your kids instead of renouncing it therefore giving their kids true freedom, or even waiting until their kids are of age like Sophie and Edward have done? It just shows their utter hypocrisy.

Basically, what you are saying is that William and George would always keep the atmosphere that is going on there now. Racism and bigotry. Harry doesn't seem to think so. They have to change. The environment as it evolves, demands it.
They have been changing workers over the years and had good/gentle minders and not so good (like now).

Not too sure what true freedom you mean because no one is going to wake up tomorrow with a sudden amnesia that A&L are the kings gdc.

As for Edward's children, well did they actually choose to not title them? Don't remember them ever saying this. I do remember the courtiers briefing as such, just as they just kept A&L as miss and master and said it was H&M, when H&M were never consulted on any such thing (just as H put out a statement to say that W did not bully him, when he knew nothing about such a statement).

Housewife2010 · 06/04/2023 08:19

So much of what H&M claimed in their infamous Oprah interview has been proved to be untrue, that I take most of their claims with a large dose of scepticism now.

Whaeanui · 06/04/2023 08:24

So much of what H&M claimed in their infamous Oprah interview has been proved to be untrue People keep saying this like it’s fact. It isn’t.

Blip · 06/04/2023 08:56

It is

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 06/04/2023 09:27

As for Edward's children, well did they actually choose to not title them?

Edward & Sophie announced on their wedding day that their future children would use Viscount/Lady. Sophie later confirmed that the children were able to opt to use their HRH Prince/ss titles as adults if they wishes (but made clear she didn’t think they would).

purpledalmation · 06/04/2023 09:36

Whaeanui · 06/04/2023 08:24

So much of what H&M claimed in their infamous Oprah interview has been proved to be untrue People keep saying this like it’s fact. It isn’t.

Well the biggest whopper was the racism accusation. Later disproved by....Harry.

Cokefans · 06/04/2023 09:40

Like Archie wasn’t to be given a title because of his skin colour - completely false, inflammatory and damaging

MamoruHisaishi · 06/04/2023 10:41

notanotheroneagain · 05/04/2023 22:20

Basically, what you are saying is that William and George would always keep the atmosphere that is going on there now. Racism and bigotry. Harry doesn't seem to think so. They have to change. The environment as it evolves, demands it.
They have been changing workers over the years and had good/gentle minders and not so good (like now).

Not too sure what true freedom you mean because no one is going to wake up tomorrow with a sudden amnesia that A&L are the kings gdc.

As for Edward's children, well did they actually choose to not title them? Don't remember them ever saying this. I do remember the courtiers briefing as such, just as they just kept A&L as miss and master and said it was H&M, when H&M were never consulted on any such thing (just as H put out a statement to say that W did not bully him, when he knew nothing about such a statement).

Except didn't Harry say his family wasn't racist, instead it was all unconscious bias? And the only person, besides Prince Phillip, within the senior ranks of the royal family who has said and done racist things is prince harry. Tying his children to the monarchy isn’t going to change whatever the atmosphere is as they have no say whatsoever in how things are run. Still not sure how attaching his kids to the institution via titles is going to change anything either. If you meant because of their black grandmother, well princess Diana had an Indian ancestor, does that mean that the royal family can proclaim to no longer be the symbol of racism/colonialism because the future king has Indian blood from a distant ancestor? And also, the only change that harry wants is for him and his family be treated as equal to the future king and his family. I bet if he had been born first (perish the thought), he would be perfectly happy with how things are as of now. And when I say true freedom, as in giving his kids the chance to live their lives free of any royal titles or rankings/precedence, because harry claimed that was what caused him so much trauma in the first place. Edward and Sophie have publicly claimed that they wouldn’t use royal titles for their children as they wanted their kids to have a more normal upbringing, and to understand that they’d need to work for a living like other people. They said their kids are free to decide if they wanna use them when they turn 18. The only other people in the royal family who made demands to title their children were Andrew and Fergie, and now harry and Meghan. I guess they want their kids to be the next Beatrice and Eugenie.

MamoruHisaishi · 06/04/2023 10:46

Cokefans · 06/04/2023 09:40

Like Archie wasn’t to be given a title because of his skin colour - completely false, inflammatory and damaging

Exactly, when their lies are brought up their fans choose to either ignore them, downplay them, or bring up unrelated issues as a distraction. The fact is, harry and Meghan did lie, it’s been proven, either via court or in their many interviews/documentary/book.

notanotheroneagain · 06/04/2023 10:48

Whaeanui · 06/04/2023 08:24

So much of what H&M claimed in their infamous Oprah interview has been proved to be untrue People keep saying this like it’s fact. It isn’t.

It isn't!

It's pedalled by the press so much like the 'they want privacy' which they never said. And gets repeated so many times on here, by posters who know very well, that the S*n 'they lied' narrative was broken down so many times. And they did not lie.

notanotheroneagain · 06/04/2023 10:51

purpledalmation · 06/04/2023 09:36

Well the biggest whopper was the racism accusation. Later disproved by....Harry.

Don't people get tired of being told what unconscious bias is?

You really don't want to educate yourself on the subject.

Whaeanui · 06/04/2023 10:54

Don't people get tired of being told what unconscious bias is?

You really don't want to educate yourself on the subject.

Sadly most people don’t. Their points have been proven by the reaction to what they’ve said. He said, unconscious bias is saying something like that repeatedly because you aren’t aware enough to realise, it becomes racism when you keep doing it after you’ve had it explained to you. I’m biracial, my family are all different hues and I can tell you honestly, it is not nice to have your skin colour discussed over and over again while people giggle and make jokes about it.

MamoruHisaishi · 06/04/2023 11:09

notanotheroneagain · 06/04/2023 10:51

Don't people get tired of being told what unconscious bias is?

You really don't want to educate yourself on the subject.

How do you explain this?

Meghan said the conversation they had with palace officials about the level of security they would receive was also tied to whether or not Archie would be a prince. She said it was the security protection — not the royal status — she really cared about.
" But the idea of our son not being safe and also the idea that the first member of color in this family not being titled in the same way that other grandchildren would be."

Royal titles aren’t tied to security, so is this just due to ignorance or something else altogether?
And their concerns that their kids wouldn’t be entitled to royal titles because Charles wanted to slim down the monarchy has been proven to be false. Also

Also from prince harry:

“The highlight for me is sticking [my son, Archie] on the back of a bicycle in his little baby seat and taking him on bike rides, which is something I was never able to do when I was young,”

“Every single time I see a camera, every single time I hear a click, every single time I see a flash, it takes me straight back.”

all lies, since there are photos of harry as a kid on a bike with his dad, and for someone who is supposedly so traumatised by the flash and click of a camera, how did he manage not to get traumatised walking into the crowd of reporters for his court case? How did he manage it when he walked past a crowd of paparazzi when he went out for dinner with Meghan?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/04/2023 11:12

Their points have been proven by the reaction to what they’ve said

And yet at the time, many leapt with glee upon the confirmation of Oprah's interpretation of RF racism, insisting that it "proved" H&M's narrative. Had anyone suggested back then that perhaps they didn't mean out-and-out racism but something like unconscious bias they'd certainly have been slaughtered, told they're closet racists and all the rest

Strange to see the rush to defend the latest version of their many claims, but then that's how it goes with the extreme mental gymnastics

Cokefans · 06/04/2023 11:14

They lied - end of - and allowed the shadow of racism to hang over an unidentified individual for months, if not years

Whaeanui · 06/04/2023 11:15

Again, he said that those questions are not in themselves racist but unconscious bias. He then said, if it continues, then you move into racism. I, as a biracial person, understand exactly what he’s saying. I’ve had white relatives do this.

Cokefans · 06/04/2023 11:15

It’s not granny, it’s not grandad - but we’re not saying who it is !

Whaeanui · 06/04/2023 11:15

They lied - end of

No he didn’t. It is racism to discuss this as a concern several times. Even Piers Morgan said the royal family has a racism problem.

Serenster · 06/04/2023 11:25

It is racism to discuss this as a concern several times

The only person who was present for this conversation, i.e. Prince Harry, said it happened once and it was when he and Meghan first met.

Whaeanui · 06/04/2023 11:32

Prince Harry, said it happened once and it was when he and Meghan first met. That’s not accurate.

MamoruHisaishi · 06/04/2023 11:33

Whaeanui · 06/04/2023 10:54

Don't people get tired of being told what unconscious bias is?

You really don't want to educate yourself on the subject.

Sadly most people don’t. Their points have been proven by the reaction to what they’ve said. He said, unconscious bias is saying something like that repeatedly because you aren’t aware enough to realise, it becomes racism when you keep doing it after you’ve had it explained to you. I’m biracial, my family are all different hues and I can tell you honestly, it is not nice to have your skin colour discussed over and over again while people giggle and make jokes about it.

is this the same harry who has been caught saying things like:

Homing in on one fellow cadet, the prince is heard to say, quietly: "Ah, our little Paki friend Ahmed."

Another sequence, taken at night, has him filming a fellow cadet wearing a camouflage hood with the remark: "It's Dan the Man. Fuck me, you look like a raghead. Look at me, look at me ... look away,"

Which is all the more disturbing because this was during his time in Afghanistan where he stated it was a joy for him when he compared killing people of colour to a video game:

"It's a joy for me because I'm one of those people who loves playing PlayStation and Xbox, so with my thumbs I like to think I'm probably quite useful," he said in interviews released Monday after the end of his posting.

He said, unconscious bias is saying something like that repeatedly because you aren’t aware enough to realise, it becomes racism when you keep doing it after you’ve had it explained to you.

And of course, here’s more of prince harry and his unconscious bias (this was after his nazi costume controversy btw, so I guess he hadn’t learned from his past experience after all)

A comedian has said he was told by Prince Harry: "You don't sound like a black chap."

No wonder prince harry defended lady Hussey:

He continued: “And I also know that what she meant – she never meant any harm at all. But the response from the British press, and from people online because of the stories that they wrote was horrendous.”

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Whaeanui · 06/04/2023 11:39

Harry has admitted and discussed those things and expresses regret and detailed how he’s gone on to educate himself. Which is what you want when someone is called out for their bad behaviour.

garlicandsapphires · 06/04/2023 11:58

I believe them.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/04/2023 13:25

Again, he said that those questions are not in themselves racist but unconscious bias. He then said, if it continues, then you move into racism

Actually that's what he says now, while at the time both were apparently quite content to see the howls about "proof of racism" and all the rest rain down upon his family. The only slight surprise is that nobody's denying what so many on SM said at the time, but then I suppose they can't as it's all still there in black and white

FWIW I believe this latest version to be correct; it's just a shame it's a little late, and even more of a shame that - as so often - some refuse to countenance that they got it wrong