HRH Prince Archie Harrison 0f Sussex and HRH Princess Lilibet Diana of Sussex

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Will Sussex be their last names? How does that work?

But the Royals would know who it was. It’s a family, not a company. If it happened, and I believe it did, the family would know who said the racist thing and are good with keeping it amongst themselves.

And you know this how?

You're saying it's a family not a company, when most RF detractors on these threads say exactly the opposite.

Because of Harry and Meghan's disingenuous flimflam we have no idea what was said, who said it, where it was said etc etc.

They did no such thing, because they were publicly exposed !

Infact, they tried it, to see how the wind goes when they did not change Archie and Lili titles - till H&M publicly announced again that they are prince and princess.

Don't know why you keep laying this at Harry's feet.

By the time he commented, Ngozi and LH had met, explanations done and lessons learnt and forgiveness from Ngozi.

What, now you want H to stir things up all over again when people have just made up? What's your point exactly?

I wonder if the palace were talking about slimming down the monarchy (which would mean fewer titles) and Meghan put two and two together and made six?

It's quite clear there were no references to Archie's 'colour' when she was pregnant and just a single crass comment at the beginning of the relationship (so a couple of years earlier) but adding these subjects made such good TV on Oprah, she had to use it to signal her victimhood.

Anyway, I think Chris Rock covered the famous 'comment' pretty well!

No such thing is ‘quite clear’. Several comments. Even a single comment could be said offensively. If they both took offence then I’m not sure why anyone is insisting it was harmless when they weren’t present.

If Charles wanted to slim down the monarchy, Harry was not part of that. Hence the LPs were not changed to exclude his children from titles back then (he was dating some blonde, so I guess it was presumed he would marry a white woman back then), also Charlotte and Louis were given titles instead of just saying ' if the first born is boy or girl, they will get the title'.

On top of that Harry would not be a senior working royal.

H&M were told the security was about the title, hence H, never thought security would be removed from him because of his proximity.

At one point on that 'bike ride' the whole family - with Diana are clearly standing on their bikes posing for the photographer. Right in front of him. Any idiot can see it's a photoshoot.

Ironically the same people who want a name, are the same ones who criticise Harry for 'revealing family conversations'.

The ball was in the palace court.

They could name the person (personally, I don't thing they should) and give an explanation of how that person meant no harm or offence, and that they are sorry it came out this way.
Instead they patronise poc by this recollections statement .

To me it dovetails into all that H&M said about the racism within the institution and how that influences the rf members.

@notanotheroneagain I think there is a difference between calling out blatant racism and spilling family secrets - by calling out I mean being specific, both telling the same tale and naming the person

Thank god they didn't. They did the right thing there.

@Roussette then that person’s true view that a child of colour is a cause for concern remains a secret - if that is what was said - you may be happy with that -
im not

Why are you so concerned to protect a blatant racist? Why do they deserve that?

I get what you’re saying but I think, wrongly or rightly, Harry didn’t want to ruin a single person he wanted to explain why it got so bad they left.

But they've cast suspicion on the whole family now. Unfair I think. If you're going to make that sort of accusation you have to be specific, or it hurts multiple people who don't deserve it.

@Whaeanui

I thought this was an interesting article, I googled as I was thinking of American presidents and their relatives. I’m old enough to remember Patti Davis rebelling against her family so it’s interesting to read her comments.

I hate that it’s fox, and I’m surprised she didn’t use a different forum

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/ronald-reagans-daughter-patti-davis-warns-prince-harry-ahead-book-release-be-quiet.amp

@Howsimplywonderful why have you tagged me? Im not remotely interested in her or Fox News?

Because of the media. That's why. If you would like a member of the RF, could be King, Queen, heir, whoever, annihilated in the press to satisfy the baying masses... well, I don't.

I would prefer the RF every year released their ethnic diversity figures (W&K swerved that for a couple of years) and worked to do better. Lady Hussey meeting with the woman she insulted was a step in the right direction.

@Roussette if you have a racist heart you could have a team full of people of colour and it wouldn’t change the way you think

Good smoke shield though

Or - perhaps they weren’t named because it didn’t happen - or wasn’t as they said. Or maybe it was someone obscure - who knows - because they didn’t say!

@Whaeanui

Because Patti Davis released a similar warts and all autobiography about her family and their relationships and she discussed in hindsight whether she achieved what she wanted by discussing their relationships in public

I saw parallels in their stories 🤷‍♀️

Don’t worry, no more tags

I know you want the 'culprit' named. I don't. That really it isn't it?

We'll agree to disagree.

Who is insisting it's harmless. I never said that. As a white person I would never speculate on the skin colour of a mixed race baby. It's crass and rude. I would speculate on the eye/hair colour of a non mixed race kid, but would be sensitive enough to know what is appropriate. I've never defended the comment but I don't think it was intended to be unpleasant. As Harry himself said, it was an unconscious bias.

They did not say any of that because they know it happened. If they pushed Harry enough, he may have felt no choice but to say who it was and exactly what they said where and when.

Therefore the palace used a vague, rather offensive statement instead. They got away with it because they used the queen as the shield.

You will have noticed a tone down from the palace nowadays , their teflon queen is gone. And Harry will unlikely be holding any prisoners now, he doesn't have as much respect and reverence for his father and camilla.