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HRH Prince Archie Harrison 0f Sussex and HRH Princess Lilibet Diana of Sussex

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Price21210 · 11/03/2023 21:03

Will Sussex be their last names? How does that work?

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PlateBilledDuckyPerson · 11/03/2023 21:06

Sussex isn't a surname as such, they are 'of Sussex'. They might be called 'Sussex' in places where people are normally addressed by surname, such as public school. William was addressed as 'Wales' at Eton.

Badger1970 · 11/03/2023 21:08

Their surnames are those of their parent's Dukedom.

If they had the intention of calling them Prince and Princess though, they chose very unusual first names (trying to be kind).

Hooklander · 11/03/2023 21:15

I don't think they are HRHs btw because their parents' HRHs are in abeyance.

Morestrangethings · 11/03/2023 21:15

I think their surnames are Windsor-Mountbatten (or similar).

Hooklander · 11/03/2023 21:17

Morestrangethings · 11/03/2023 21:15

I think their surnames are Windsor-Mountbatten (or similar).

Wasn't that from when their parents left the UK and said their progeny would be brought up without tidles? And that was the surname announced?

Morestrangethings · 11/03/2023 21:18

But unlike most of us, most of the Royal bunch have heaps of names, and heaps of titles, each.

Morestrangethings · 11/03/2023 21:20

Hooklander · 11/03/2023 21:17

Wasn't that from when their parents left the UK and said their progeny would be brought up without tidles? And that was the surname announced?

Did they ever say the kids would be brought up without titles? Or was that the tabloid media and social media?

Hooklander · 11/03/2023 21:25

Morestrangethings · 11/03/2023 21:20

Did they ever say the kids would be brought up without titles? Or was that the tabloid media and social media?

There must have been a reason why 'Mountbatten-Windsor' was announced as their surname, but it's a bit lost in the mists of time now tbh.

LolaSmiles · 11/03/2023 21:49

If I remember correctly they were Mountbatten-Windsor because as great grandchildren of the monarch they had no right to a prince/princess title.

Because of a Letters Patent, prince/princess was reserved for grandchildren of the monarch through the eldest son of the Prince of Wales. The Queen decided to keep all the Cambridge children equal and granted them all titles as great grandchildren.

Now Charles is King Harry's children are grandchildren of a monarch, not great grandchildren, so they are now eligible.

Coronateachingagain · 11/03/2023 22:10

Price21210 · 11/03/2023 21:03

Will Sussex be their last names? How does that work?

The titles and names sound very new world new rich - hint hint

Price21210 · 11/03/2023 22:24

Their parents' HRH status doesn't impact Prince Archie or Princess Lilibet.

Why does it bother so many that these children have their titles and styled HRH? They are innocent little children! Come on!

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Coronateachingagain · 11/03/2023 22:24

And just to add - being a Duke may have been something in medieval times but they are not in charge of collecting taxes and sending soldiers to war like they used to anymore.
So this is all little broken mirrors and medals to keep you going but not meaningful to society anymore. Unless, of course, you have nothing else to hang of.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 11/03/2023 22:25

Untitled royals on the Queen and Philips line use Mountbatten-Windsor as a surname.

For school and the likes titles ones tend to use their fathers title name - William and Harry were “Wales” at school and in the military. Williams children were all Cambridge at school starting. So Harry’s two will likely use Sussex as a surname for things like that.

Hooklander · 11/03/2023 22:25

And then I read that Archie was born titled/entitled Earl of Dumbarton? But the title was eschewed by his parents.

CiaoBellisima · 11/03/2023 22:26

They sre Prince and Princess but are not entitled to use HRH.

bizzywiththefizzy · 11/03/2023 22:31

Hooklander · 11/03/2023 21:25

There must have been a reason why 'Mountbatten-Windsor' was announced as their surname, but it's a bit lost in the mists of time now tbh.

Mounbatten-Windsor is for the children not in direct line of the throne .
To appease Philip .

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 11/03/2023 22:35

CiaoBellisima · 11/03/2023 22:26

They sre Prince and Princess but are not entitled to use HRH.

They are automatically entitled to HRH. All of Charles’ grandchildren are on the male line so all auto entitled to HRH Prince/ss from the moment he became King.

It’s not really clear yet from any of the communication if Harry’s two are using it or mirroring their parents and not.

Price21210 · 11/03/2023 22:39

That is incorrect. Yes, they are! And I am not debating this. The rules of Patent of 1917 state that Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet are HRH and they are entitled to it!

I say again, these are innocent children!

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LolaSmiles · 11/03/2023 22:43

What's innocent children got to do with anything OP?
Talking about the actions/decisions of adults isn't having a go at children.

The children weren't entitled to titles from birth as they were great grandchildren of a monarch. Now they're grandchildren of the monarch they've become entitled to use them, should they wish it their parents choose to.

The adults involved have made a numerous accusations about the firm and have wanted to free themselves from it, which is understandable if they've had negative experiences in a toxic environment. It does seem unusual then to want to make their children carry titles from an institution that they found harmful as adults. People saying that isn't being mean about the children. It's commenting on the actions of adults who choose to remain in the public eye.

Price21210 · 11/03/2023 22:57

Many are still saying that the children are STILL/TODAY not entitled to HRH when it is clearly stated all over the internet that they are and why and how. That is why I consider it an attack on those children. Because if Harry had married and had children with someone else none this would be an issue. But because it's Archie and Lilibet they are not entitled to their titles or style despite what British law says. It's just ridiculous.

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LesserBohemians · 11/03/2023 23:02

Price21210 · 11/03/2023 22:57

Many are still saying that the children are STILL/TODAY not entitled to HRH when it is clearly stated all over the internet that they are and why and how. That is why I consider it an attack on those children. Because if Harry had married and had children with someone else none this would be an issue. But because it's Archie and Lilibet they are not entitled to their titles or style despite what British law says. It's just ridiculous.

Why are you taking up arms and CAPSLOCK in defence of a toddler and a baby who haven’t the faintest cognisance of their styles, titles or surnames?

Timeforchangeithink · 11/03/2023 23:05

I thought H&M had given up titles so why will their kids have them?

Morestrangethings · 11/03/2023 23:28

The children won’t be living within the institution. It’s about their birthright, and why not make sure they can use their titles when they are older should they want to?

It’s not one thing or the other - all or nothing.

smilesy · 11/03/2023 23:31

LesserBohemians · 11/03/2023 23:02

Why are you taking up arms and CAPSLOCK in defence of a toddler and a baby who haven’t the faintest cognisance of their styles, titles or surnames?

I think maybe the confusion arises because the Sussexes HRH status is currently in abeyance and so people assume that the children are not entitled to HRH style. But equally as pp have said, the decision to use these titles and styles right now has been taken by the parents. It has nothing to do with who Harry married, and everything to do with the fact that they have “stepped back” from the monarchy, and heavily criticised it. And as has also previously been stated, the titles of Prince and Princess do not elevate them above commoner status, unlike their parents’ Ducal titles.

smilesy · 11/03/2023 23:35

Morestrangethings · 11/03/2023 23:28

The children won’t be living within the institution. It’s about their birthright, and why not make sure they can use their titles when they are older should they want to?

It’s not one thing or the other - all or nothing.

If they have their titles as their birthright, then of course they can use them when older. No one could stop them as things stand. Their parents using them is doesn’t “make sure “ they can use them when they are older but makes no difference. The now Duke of Edinburgh’s children’s titles were not used but they are still perfectly entitled to style themselves Prince and Princess should they now choose to do so. So no o e needs to make sure I’d anything