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Price21210 · 2023-03-11T21:03:08+00:00

Will Sussex be their last names? How does that work?

pasta56 · 12/03/2023 10:40

www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1745094/meghan-markle-prince-harry-hrh-archie-lilibet-dxus/amp

I recall it being reported around the time of the Queen's funeral that Charles had said they could be Prince and Princess but not HRH as they weren't working royals. And H&M were said to be u happy about that and do the matter remained unresolved.( at that time)

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 12/03/2023 10:44

The Express isn’t an announcement. There was talk around then that he wasn’t going to allow the children titles at all, but we know that’s inaccurate now.

Theres been zero confirmation either way of the children using or not using HRH.

Coronateachingagain · 12/03/2023 10:44

PicturesOfDogs · 12/03/2023 07:13

Here it is. OS wouldn’t have said this, if they hadn’t told him to I presume.

Looks like they changed their mind 😅 it is all a silly battle about ranking in the family. They don't want their children to be less than the other princes / princesses in the family.
They are a derailing twin and the final crash will be either slow and agonising or spectacular. Probably both

Hooklander · 12/03/2023 10:45

Applesonthelawn · 12/03/2023 09:55

They rejected the title Earl of Dumbarton because it started with the word "dumb". This is what Meghan said herself in one of the televised appearances. At the time I thought Dumbarton (emphasis on second syllable and not on first as she was saying it) actually sounded nice, but since they have now fallen so low and everyone can mercilessly take the piss, it's probably a good thing, Imagine what South Park would have made of it.

I thought that was made-up crap tbh, as it sounds so ridiculous. Is it really on film footage?

huffyhufferson · 12/03/2023 10:52

It was in yesterday's Express. Apparently Harry & Meghan are furious that Charles won't let the children have HRH titles. The ban seemingly has been extended to the children after HRH title was taken away from H& M when they became non-working Royals.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 12/03/2023 10:57

The Express repeatedly stated last year that the children would get no titles at all so I don’t think they’re really a reliable source

huffyhufferson · 12/03/2023 11:15

That's fair enough. I suppose we will all just have to wait & see.

smilesy · 12/03/2023 11:27

huffyhufferson · 12/03/2023 10:52

It was in yesterday's Express. Apparently Harry & Meghan are furious that Charles won't let the children have HRH titles. The ban seemingly has been extended to the children after HRH title was taken away from H& M when they became non-working Royals.

The HRH has never been taken away from the Sussexes. They were asked not to use it as they were no longer “working” and they agreed. So unless Charles actually takes it away through LP’s then they all still have it. Diana lost hers because she was divorced therefore technically no longer part of the monarchy.

Madamecastafiore · 12/03/2023 11:31

Goodness me they are so not royal names!!

Portillo · 12/03/2023 11:33

Harry had Wales as his surname in the army

During his training, he was known as Officer Cadet Wales; Wales became the surname attached to his military rank as his career moved forward. He eventually became a captain and was therefore known as Captain Wales by the conclusion of his service.

upinaballoon · 12/03/2023 11:37

So, what is this? Is it correct then, that being able to be called Princess and Prince had absolutely nothing to do with the colour of any skins, and was something to do with when the king became king. Was Oprah Winfrey under a misapprehension? Am I confused? Is there gardening to be done? I'll shog.

caringcarer · 12/03/2023 11:39

The Sussex kids are not HRH.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 12/03/2023 11:42

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 12/03/2023 10:57

The Express repeatedly stated last year that the children would get no titles at all so I don’t think they’re really a reliable source

The Express isn't a reliable source about anything. It's a comic, not a paper.

notanotheroneagain · 12/03/2023 11:42

smilesy · 12/03/2023 09:30

Why then did they not, at the time, use the title that Archie was entitled to use, Earl of Dumbarton? They could have corrected the Palace and said he was using this title as was their right. It would seem that they actually wanted to hold out for him to be Prince Archie. Which is actually a bit strange as it is a lesser ranking title than Earl 🤔

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Earl of Dumbarton is H's title for Scotland. It is not Archie's, but he can use it as a curtesy. Just like Charles and others have titles for different parts of the UK. I don't recall at any point W&H, nor William's children using their fathers' secondary titles.

I have also seen it a lot here on MN that Earl outranks Prince. Don't think that's true. Archie is a sovereign prince.

I think one of their complaints was that they were not being consulted about anything, and someone decided to name Archie master, which is technically not even a title as that is what you call a mr who is under 18. Lili was called Miss.
Titles order : Duke/Marquess/Earl/Viscount/Baron.

Charles was quick to update everyone except the spares.

I don't believe that Edward never wanted the titles for his children, I think it was just announced like they did with Archie, and Andrew himself probably just made it clear he was having none of it. Anne's children are Philips 'clan' if you will, so I can see why they would not be titled.

I believe Edward was likely treated like Harry spare and bullied into submission, because he was supposed to have received the DoE title ages ago too.

MM has never addressed the Earl of Dumbarton title.

HRH Prince Archie Harrison 0f Sussex and HRH Princess Lilibet Diana of Sussex

upinaballoon · 12/03/2023 11:44

headstone · 12/03/2023 07:37

They now live in a country that fought very hard to rid itself of the British royal family and they are insisting on titles for their children.

'Prince Archie Harrison of Sussex, England and Princess Lilibet Diana of Sussex, England today whooped it up at the July 4th picnic and barbeque.' 😐

....and watch how you spell it, class. Ind..e..pend..ence. Not an 'a' in sight.

notanotheroneagain · 12/03/2023 11:48

smilesy · 12/03/2023 11:27

The HRH has never been taken away from the Sussexes. They were asked not to use it as they were no longer “working” and they agreed. So unless Charles actually takes it away through LP’s then they all still have it. Diana lost hers because she was divorced therefore technically no longer part of the monarchy.

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The media has started using the term 'abeyance' to make it sound like a suspension, hence the confusion from people. They agreed not to use it for commercial purposes. Though I believe that it still appears in other legal/official papers like court cases etc.

Unless undertaking official 'work', A&L technically can use their HRH. Unless they do 'work', say like paid modelling. But if they don't work and show up at a charity without pay, I supposed they would use it like the York girls.

RocketsMagnificent7 · 12/03/2023 12:09

I believe Edward was likely treated like Harry spare and bullied into submission, because he was supposed to have received the DoE title ages ago too.

When was he supposed to have received the title?

pasta56 · 12/03/2023 12:10

www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-kingdom/prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-reportedly-infuriated-children-archie-and-lilibet-will-not-receive-hrh-honour-after-queens-death/news-story/bde02f1c356baabd946c0d8729fb2d1a

Found some of the reporting from Sept 22 - that they were to be Prince and Princess but not HRH. Who knows what was finally agreed.

However, wouldn't it be usual for them to have referred to her as "HRH Princess Lilibet" in the statement,if that was to be her title.

x2boys · 12/03/2023 12:34

Madamecastafiore · 12/03/2023 11:31

Goodness me they are so not royal names!!

And Zara ,savannah,Mia,August are🤔

smilesy · 12/03/2023 12:58

notanotheroneagain · 12/03/2023 11:42

Earl of Dumbarton is H's title for Scotland. It is not Archie's, but he can use it as a curtesy. Just like Charles and others have titles for different parts of the UK. I don't recall at any point W&H, nor William's children using their fathers' secondary titles.

I have also seen it a lot here on MN that Earl outranks Prince. Don't think that's true. Archie is a sovereign prince.

I think one of their complaints was that they were not being consulted about anything, and someone decided to name Archie master, which is technically not even a title as that is what you call a mr who is under 18. Lili was called Miss.
Titles order : Duke/Marquess/Earl/Viscount/Baron.

Charles was quick to update everyone except the spares.

I don't believe that Edward never wanted the titles for his children, I think it was just announced like they did with Archie, and Andrew himself probably just made it clear he was having none of it. Anne's children are Philips 'clan' if you will, so I can see why they would not be titled.

I believe Edward was likely treated like Harry spare and bullied into submission, because he was supposed to have received the DoE title ages ago too.

MM has never addressed the Earl of Dumbarton title.

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Sorry, I explained incorrectly. The title “Earl” is a peerage. The title “Prince” does not refer to a peerage so the holder is a “commoner”. This applies to the Princess Royal and to William and Harry before they received their peerages upon marriage see Here. This is also interesting because the Sussexes were claiming that without the title of Prince, Archie would get no security, yet the article I linked says that “Prince” does not carry any legal status. It also talks about ranking and acknowledges that the rank of Prince does indeed outrank Duke and Earl.

Coxspurplepippin · 12/03/2023 13:00

x2boys · 12/03/2023 12:34

And Zara ,savannah,Mia,August are🤔

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Perhaps not, historically, but none of your examples will be preceded by princess or prince so sound a bit less 'unusual'

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 12/03/2023 13:15

Charles was quick to update everyone except the spares.

Perfectly standard behaviour to choose only to create a POW to highlight the succession line after the death.

I don't believe that Edward never wanted the titles for his children, I think it was just announced like they did with Archie

You think the Queen randomly announced to the world on her sons wedding day that his children were going to be titled as Earl’s children with no discussion with him?

I believe Edward was likely treated like Harry spare and bullied into submission, because he was supposed to have received the DoE title ages ago too.

When was he supposed to receive it?

Coxspurplepippin · 12/03/2023 14:40

'I believe Edward was likely treated like Harry spare and bullied into submission, because he was supposed to have received the DoE title ages ago too.'

'When was he supposed to receive it?'

I don't think he was supposed to have received it 'ages ago' - he certainly wouldn't have received it while the previous holder was still alive , Prince Philip died less than 2 years ago. The view that he was going to receive it after HMQ's death is probably spot on - her husband had held the title for nearly 75 years - she probably couldn't 'see' anyone else as DoE so left it up to Charles to bestow the title after her death. Which he has done, within 6 months of becoming King, and on Edward's birthday, with an obviously planned visit to Edinburgh. The timing seems fitting.

CarolinaInTheMorning · 12/03/2023 14:46

The HRH has never been taken away from the Sussexes. They were asked not to use it as they were no longer “working” and they agreed. So unless Charles actually takes it away through LP’s then they all still have it. Diana lost hers because she was divorced therefore technically no longer part of the monarchy.

This is true. And if people are using "abeyance" that is the wrong word. They have agreed not to use the HRH. But they have it as do their children. They may have agreed that their children not use it as well, which I think is likely.

There are peers who have titles/styles but don't use them. It's similar to that. A slightly out there example, but Lord and Lady Haden-Guest don't use their titles. They call themselves Christopher Guest and Jamie Lee Curtis.

myrtleWilson · 12/03/2023 14:47

He's been waiting six months @notanotheroneagain in what sense is that "ages" unless you're channeling the spirit of a toddler protesting they've been waiting 'ages' for their icecream....