Do you all find Charles, Camilla, William and Kate boring?

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I am genuinely interested, Because every single post I have seen about one of these four ends up getting derailed by Harry and Meghan.
Try it. Post about one of them and within a small number of posts people will be talking about Harry and Meghan. It happens again and again and again.
So do find these 4 really boring then? Or are you just so fascinated about Harry and Meghan you want to talk about them whenever you can?

Not sure if that's to me, but I will take note.
Little Women has been murdered enough on screen relatively recently - I'd find it difficult to bear a massacred Rebecca.

@LaMarschallin

Couldn't disagree more.
There is no 'good' argument to elevate one family to 'monarchy'

Anyone with intelligence can see that royalty isn't real ( I do think that some on these do actually believe that some people are 'royal'- explains a lot)

Tickets already booked! My DDs DP went online and in the time it took us to pick a time loads were sold out but we got there!

Novella4

There is no 'good' argument to elevate one family to 'monarchy'

I do see your point and I have said I tend towards republicanism.

Anyone with intelligence can see that royalty isn't real ( I do think that some on these do actually believe that some people are 'royal'- explains a lot)

I'm not totally sure what you mean by "royalty isn't real". Of course it isn't - I'm sure the most fervent supporters of the monarchy don't believe that king Charles would bleed blue blood rather than red.

Monarchy has grown up over the ages along with other forms of government.
Brexit, imo, is a good argument against letting the people vote.
We have what we have. There may be better or worse examples and there may be better or worse ways of achieving them. Revolutions against a monarchy have looked like very uncomfortable ways to live for the general public and, at present, I can't see it happening.
The power of the monarchy will gradually diminish and I suspect we'll eventually end up with a figurehead and their family who have no power. Not within my lifetime, I suspect.

But maybe the intelligent way to promote the republican cause is to say that anyone who thinks otherwise lacks intelligence. Bit harsh.
And maybe the best way to promote republicanism is to talk about the "Con a nation", "Chuck", "Magic hat", "Side chick" etc on a social media site.
Very witty and intelligent.

Odd that Andrew's behaviour hasn't shaken royalists in the way that Harry has. How can that be explained?

Therein lies the rub

@LaMarschallin

I agree entirely with your post

Andrews behaviour was 'uncovered' hidden etc. (skeleton in the closet) he's pretty much keeping his head down and a low profile now. Nobody expects anything from him, nobody cared if he was performing duties or on the balcony etc.

Harry is acting very purposefully and publicly, for financial gain. Seeking attention. Meghan in particular has been caught lying about the RF. The public would've loved to see him and his wife thriving and performing duties supporting charities etc. so it's more disappointing as they wee originally so loved...perhaps he's fallen off a bigger pedestal?

I suppose those are the differences and why peoples attitudes are different in each case.

🙄Should we all post IQ test results before posting?

Does it?
I may be being too pedantic and, also, am assuming that you're referring to a quote from Hamlet.

Meghan has misunderstood that giving the public what they want (as an actress) and giving the people what they want (as a royal) are different.

Actresses anecdotes aren’t checked (it’s assumed they’re often exaggerated) but Royals anecdotes are and large holes in her stories have been identified.

They seem to be trying to straddle RF and Celebrity and it’s not working out

The rest of the RF are largely trying to avoid the celebrity pitfall element, which makes them less exciting, (who doesn’t love an exciting penis anecdote) but also means the public won’t turn on them as they won’t have the ammunition.

@LaMarschallin

I generally consider Mumsnetters to be more critical in thinking than your average tabloid reader, and have used "above average intelligence" to signify that. Please don't read more into it than that.

@Novella4 I keep saying that it says a lot that a "D list actress" bla bla bla has more charisma than all the male Blood royals put together, and their wives too, and generated more excitement than they ever have, particularly in the Commonwealth.

I am not sure their departure aids the republican cause. I don't see a Republic UK ever. If there is one thing I have learned, it is that class is a HUGE part of the UK identity. The Royals, as the apex of that class system, will always have currency. It's part of why the mixed race American interloper was so resented. Your avid royal fans could not identify with her like they could identify with Kate or Sophie.

Order has now been restored, the "foreign substance" has been excised and the system purified and all can be well again. The tabloids will keep reminding the public about the foreign bullet that was dodged by the pure Blood royals, ad will continue to take potshots at the Duchess of Sussex, her husband and children.

The whole prince/princess saga was truly revealing.

Smh. Directional flattery and then straight in for the kill. If it is all about class (which I fully agree it is) then why the need for hyperbolic and toxic race analogies unless that is the actual point of your post?

I generally consider Mumsnetters to be more critical in thinking than your average tabloid reader, and have used "above average intelligence" to signify that.
Oh, right. Sorry - that didn't come across to me.

please don't read more into it than that

I don't think I was reading anything into your post other than wondering what the average was that you were referring to.
Maybe you're getting mixed up with my reply to Novella4.

Maybe some people believe it is just about class others like myself believe it's about race and class.

Yes. Is that a problem ?
I know the meaning of the quote if that's what you mean!

Yes a bit of both. For some people just one, for others the other.

So agree with this...
"I am not sure their departure aids the republican cause. I don't see a Republic UK ever. If there is one thing I have learned, it is that class is a HUGE part of the UK identity. The Royals, as the apex of that class system, will always have currency. It's part of why the mixed race American interloper was so resented"

and this

"Order has now been restored, the "foreign substance" has been excised and the system purified and all can be well again. The tabloids will keep reminding the public about the foreign bullet that was dodged by the pure Blood royals, ad will continue to take potshots at the Duchess of Sussex, her husband and children"

We've sent her packing so all is well

Every situation is unique but Emma Weymouth (Longleat) saw off her provably racist mother-in-law. She came from the same social background as her husband so her instinct was to fight rather than flight. There can be class, race and cultural obstacles.

A system that is based on just one family of "Blood" royals being at the apex of the class system by definition excludes persons who, because of the history of colonialism and slavery, a history imbued in race, could never have been "Blood" royals.

I found it revealing that there was even a conversation about Archie and Lili, "Blood" royals, being called prince and princess. It confirms that one, Meghan was right in the Oprah interview, and two, that protocols and heritage all that stuff that royalists are so wedded to operate different if mixed race children are involved.

And of course, there was briefing from "royal insiders" that Archie and Lili's titles had to be "earned", making them the first members of the royal family that had to "earn" titles that are automatically given.

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2023/01/king-charles-determined-to-have-prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-at-coronation

I assume that you referring to conversations on Mumsnet since there are no credible sources for what discussions took place within the RF.
My understanding of blood royals is those who are direct descendants of the RF. Therefore, PW and his children are blood royals, PH and his children are also blood royals. However, Kate and Meghan are not.

My ancestors did well out of it. I am not convinced by the state of the systems which have forcibly done away with it.

Emma had only lived in the UK - her father is Nigerian but she hasn't actually lived there. So whether happy or not she didn't have the options that M&H did as US was Meghan's home and she had connections.

She had not option but to fight.

Had Harry married a mixed race British woman they would have probably put up with it for longer if not forever.

Why don’t you just look at the reality rather than a ‘briefing’ in vanity fair ?

Lilibet was Christened, the Sussex’s announced they were using the prince/princess titles and it was updated with the palace saying they would follow their lead.

Ditto KC has talked about slimming down the RF for a long time. It wasn’t about Meghan,

I know a lot of the finer details of Emma's story 😉 She has always had an international mindset, just like Meghan. She had options to live wherever she wanted but she had a passion for the Longleat project which she has finally realized.

She was in it for the long run, she was young and passionate, this was the big relationship of her life, the discrimination was blatant. It wasn't just something insinuated in a TV interview.

The racism she faced from family members could be readily proven through dialogue with third parties whereas doubt has been cast upon the insinuations made by Harry and Meghan and they have even backtracked somewhat.

Emma also gets on fabulously with all of the staff. She is extremely popular on the wider social scene. It was obvious why she was being treated unfairly. That was not the case with Meghan.

Yes it is.

The new titles of the blood royals were automatically updated even before the body of the Queen left Balmoral.

It took six months for A and L's titles to be conformed, after the Duke and Duchess of Sussex forced the issue in a public announcement.

BH then had no option but to conform what we all knew were the kids' titles since their grandfather became king.

If A and L decide they do not want to use the titles, they can decide themselves, when they are old enough to decide. It is not for anyone to take them away because they do not like their mother.

Confirm, not conform. No glasses!