Do you all find Charles, Camilla, William and Kate boring?

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I am genuinely interested, Because every single post I have seen about one of these four ends up getting derailed by Harry and Meghan.
Try it. Post about one of them and within a small number of posts people will be talking about Harry and Meghan. It happens again and again and again.
So do find these 4 really boring then? Or are you just so fascinated about Harry and Meghan you want to talk about them whenever you can?

@MrsMaxDeWinter

You are so right, I said something like this a couple of years ago! It will never stop.

And the media feeds in to all of this... stoking and fanning the flames.

I agree OP - many people just can’t help bringing them into any and all royal conversations. It’s very odd.

Even poor George will not be talked about when he is King as Mumsnetters in their dotage obsess about Princess Lilibet and Prince Archie, justifying their dislike for them because 30 years ago the tabloids said their mother made Kate cry over bridesmaids' dresses at her own wedding

I thought the implication was that Mumsnetters who disliked the Sussexes were already in their dotage.
Yet there they'll be, springing about on Mumsnet in their 90s, complaining about princess Lilibet's choice of hovercar (I don't know - it might be a thing!) or prince Archie's microclimate suit (again it might be etc).
Whereas George will be getting on with princing/kinging unnoticed.

But that's not M&H problem. The media are fanning the flames because it is what people want. Has everyone else confirmed they will or won't attend? Leave them alone if they come, you'll see them if they don't you won't.

I am sure C knows whether or not H or M&H are attending. Once they confirm it will be something else. H is coming because, M is it isn't coming because .... the children are here with Doria, the children are not here but with Doria.

And I keep reading posts "Nobody is interested in M&H"

There is no answer to it is there?

Say, just say, they came back (I know I know, you don't want them back, no need to post and say so)... they would overshadow everything. If the toxic press never happened, if K&W and H&M got on OK and we rewind 3 years and they are all making an attempt to work together... it never would have lasted.

Because the media would not allow it to happen. Meghan would've been doing walkabouts and getting huge media. Kate would've been overshadowed. And that just cannot happen... it was a big factor in Charles & Diana's marriage. Meghan would be giving speeches that engaged, that inspired and unfortunately that is not Kate's forté. (Please don't flame me for this, we know it to be true and not everyone is good at public speaking, Kate has other strengths).

The media would pick up on every single difference between the two women and magnify it to feed the thirsty public desperate for antagonism and excitement. Because the RF are boring without it.. We click on the articles, we buy the papers, we are responsible for the fact it was never going to work.

We should be grateful they have left to be honest. It had to happen. It was always going to happen. It was never going to work. And for that I blame the RF and the media, their symbiotic relationship has led to this and for the public desperate for a more exciting RF.
I've seen it time and time again on here. Posters saying they want H&M to come to the Coronation even though they dislike them, because of the gossip and the headlines and the excitement.

We reap what we sow.

@PreparationPreparationPrep

Exactly! You put it so much better than my long ramble!

It doesn't matter though, does it?
As MrsMaxDeWinter said:

"Even poor George will not be talked about when he is King as Mumsnetters in their dotage obsess about Princess Lilibet and Prince Archie"...
But, in that scenario, George will still be king.
Lilibet and Archie will no doubt be mentioned as footnotes in the history books in a hundred years or more.
Unless there's an imminent revolution - which doesn't seem to be happening - and we become a republic. And princess Lilibet and prince Archie will be just Lilibet and Archie and George will be the last heir/king.

Agreed. It doesn't matter a jot. It was never going to work. For the reasons I said in my post.

Fine by me!

Although I do hope they keep quiet now, and the incessant frenzy about them dissipates.

Oh George will be king, there's no Republic coming. Of that I am certain. As these threads show, even above average people have bought into the tabloid-anointed sainthood of the Royal Family.

Furious Mumsnetters will still be gnashing their teeth about Princess Lilibet and Prince Archie and anytime they do anything, even in the US, and even if they never set foot on UK soil, and the tabloids will accuse them of trying to outshine King George the VII if that's his regnal name.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and their children have been set up as the dastardly rivals in an epic saga that will run and run and run.

Sadly I agree with you @MrsMaxDeWinter
I'd like to think not, but the public want this drama and excitement to bolster up the RF who really aren't that exciting until there are headlines and gossip.

I agree, I get the impression it’s Camilla who stops the King disappearing too far up his own ass-and brings some levity into his life

Although I do hope they keep quiet now, and the incessant frenzy about them dissipates.

Surely at this point it is clear @Roussette ette that nothing they do will ever make the frenzy go away?

The Duchess of Sussex was nowhere to be seen for 280 days during the lockdown and the frenzy continued. The first three months she was absent from the public eye and the frenzy continued.

When there is no material, they simply rehash old material. One tabloid has even started rehashing old articles from The Tig.

YouTubers make thousands analysing old footage of royal engagements.

It's why the media DESPERATELY wants them to come to the Coronation. They know it won't be worth talking about without them there. And if they don't come, it will still generate columns of "how dare they".

They should do whatever they want, because whatever it is, they will be criticised for it, so they may as well live their lives how they choose.

The US had 7 years of a soap opera president and then went back to a grown up (luckily)

long term you’re better off without all the drama

@MrsMaxDeWinter

Yes, I know. It was a vain hope. Meghan wasn't seen and she did nothing, she basically disappeared from December last year for just about 3 months. Did the frenzy stop? No
Did the threads on here ease up? No

Old stuff regurgitated to feed the billion dollar industry that they have become. That's why I don't care about him writing a book. Millions make money out of them. Why shouldn't they

Totally agree they should do exactly what they want. Because whatever they do will be criticised. I see it all the time.

A vain hope indeed😁

Roussette

Although I do hope they keep quiet now, and the incessant frenzy about them dissipates.

That would suit me too.

MrsMaxDeWinter

these threads show, even above average people have bought into the tabloid-anointed sainthood of the Royal Family.

Who are these "above average people"?
What average are they above?

As an aside, I very much like your username. Does it refer to the first or the second one?

The second, one, who remains nameless in the book, unlike doomed Rebecca :)

I meant above average intelligence, sorry.

Ah.
Just a thought - do you mean the artist?

Which artist?

Can I just make a recommendation. Do not watch the 2020 version of Rebecca. It was garbage, honest it was!

It was utter garbage. Almost as the disappointing as the new Persuasion.

Why do they do this, just why??

No idea why. I watched (for the third time) the 1959 film Diary of Anne Frank because I'm off to the house and museum in Amsterdam soon. It was beautifully done for so tragic a story. I refuse to watch any later versions because nothing would be better.

Hope you are more organised than us. We bought our flights ahead, by the time we were ready to book entrance tickets they were sold out. We did go to Rembrandt museum instead though.

@Roussette and @MrsMaxDeWinter I think you are both right to say that Hand M are being used to bolster support for the 'royals'
Nothing like a pantomime villain to generate some interest
C and C have caused division and Charles is trying to recreate what his mother had. It won't work
Kate is inoffensive but inauthentic . William is unpleasant . The media is telling us that quite plainly - he's permanently in a rage .

Neither W nor K have any charisma
Harry has buckets of charisma which is why, as a Republican, I am glad he left

I think the rows have weakened the institution. Harry's truth bombs certainly have

Odd that Andrew's behaviour hasn't shaken royalists in the way that Harry has. How can that be explained?

All the media's doing ? The young do not access the media in the same way . They aren't subject to the same propaganda
What then ?

MrsMaxDeWinter

Which artist?

There's an artist of the same name - I think. The father of a friend of mine is a collector and has mentioned the name.
I had assumed the Rebecca connection, but then thought I might have missed something.

But, given your reply:

The second, one, who remains nameless in the book, unlike doomed Rebecca :)

I hadn't. Phew!

Lynne Truss wrote an article based on the second wife when a sequel to Rebecca was published. Didn't read the sequel, but Lynne Truss - as always, imo - was very funny. I'd recommend it as a read.

I meant above average intelligence, sorry.

Oh. Right. So:

these threads show, even above average people have bought into the tabloid-anointed sainthood of the Royal Family

Means: even people of above average intelligence have bought into the tabloid-anointed sainthood of the royal family?

I have to say that I don't agree.
I'm sure that intelligent people have good pro-monarchy arguments, but I can't imagine any body of above average intelligence believing that the royal family are saints.