Edward the new Duke of Edinburgh

[SnottyLottie]

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/03/10/king-charles-prince-edward-royal-family-title-duke-edinburgh/

In order to honour Edward’s 59th birthday

I’ve mentioned this on a few different threads today and the silence has been deafening 😂

Maybe he did not want his children to have that title?

"Maybe"?

But you said he was 'clear and explicit'?

And I thought it wasn't about what Harry wanted. You said "he felt it was up to his children whether they gave them up, not a decision he should make."

Yet now you're saying he made a decision on their behalf, based on what he wanted?

Which is it?

So obvious they were holding out for the fancier titles.

But in 2021 and the Oprah interview, they weren't entitled to be Prince and Princess because the Queen was still alive and so they were the great grandchildren of the sovereign. They were entitled to use Earl of Dumbarton and Lady Lillibeth but they didn't. Once the late Queen died, they were entitled to use Prince and Princess as they were then the grandchildren of the sovereign. But they didn't until the christening. That was Harry and Meghan's choice. Once they showed they wanted to use the titles, the details were updated.

Or the more Disney ones 🤷‍♀️😆

He said he was clear he wanted the children to have titles. And that it was up to them as adults if they gave them up. That was explicit and clear.

And has been said several times already, his son already had a title and his daughter would have one from birth.

Yet he didn't want them to use those titles. How could they 'give up' a title they had never used? Sounds the opposite of 'explicit and clear' to me.

He was probably relying on Oprah's ignorance, but in this forum we know better.

@IcedPurple what you are saying is not true. The Dumbarton titles Charles and Meghan did not use. They did not say they do not want the children to use them. That will be their choice.

Was he “clear and explicit” or “maybe?”

Why didn’t he announce the use of the Prince and Princess titles sooner then?

I mean, surely if you’re now saying that he wanted titles but only specific ones that then puts the onus on him to be clear and explicit when the children are using the titles he wants them to?

How are other people supposed to know which titles are on and which aren’t?

And you can have a title and not use it or only use it in certain circumstances.
William does not use the Duke of Rosethay, but he has not given it up.

William will very likely use the Duke of Rothesay title every time he visits Scotland, just as his father did.

@YetMoreNewBeginnings

He was clear and explicit that it was up to the children if they wanted to give up their titles. That was not a decision he was prepared to make on their behalf.

Charles and Meghan?

You know you've tied yourself up in really tight knots here, don't you? Not even Houdini could escape.

I'll not bother pursuing this, but it's irrelevant in any case what Harry did or didn't say to an American talk show hostess. What matters is whether he communicated his wishes to the king. And it appears he did not until last week.

So, why did they not use the titles from birth? If it was the children’s choice to give them up.

And if only some titles were acceptable why was the onus on Charles to announce them, rather than Harry - when Harry, and Meghan, are the ones that have clearly decided that some titles are not for use, but others are?

I agree that William doesn't use the 'Duke of Rosethay' title as it doesn't exist.

However, the Prince of Wales is known as the Duke of Rothesay in Scotland, so when he visits Scotland I'm sure he will use that title.

@YetMoreNewBeginnings I don't really care.
He does not seem to use His Royal Highness The Earl of Strathearn. But hey ho he has so many titles.

I'm sure that's something you could identify with!

The Duke of Rosethay is a title and does exist. The title is named after Rothesay on the Isle of Bute, but is not associated with any legal entity or landed property,

@IcedPurple why do you all have purple in your name? Is it to identify each other?

Why would a title of 'Rosethay' be named after Rothesay?

actually on Scottish engagements he and Kate do use their Scottish titles.

as Sophie and Edward used their Forfar titles.

why bring it up if you don’t care?

Given the Rothesay title belongs to the heir William will now use it in Scotland as his father did. different to subsidiary titles though. As you well know.

Wow I did a spelling mistake. There is no way you could possibly worked out that is what had happened.

"You all"?

I don't see anyone else with 'purple' in their title in this conversation.

But they have never, not once, referred to the children with their titles of “Earl” and “Lady”. So why have they now referred to them as “Prince “ and “Princess “? That looks exact like they only wanted to use Prince and Princess. A case of Earl schmerl, perhaps?