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Edward the new Duke of Edinburgh

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SnottyLottie · 10/03/2023 09:05

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/03/10/king-charles-prince-edward-royal-family-title-duke-edinburgh/

In order to honour Edward’s 59th birthday

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MrsFinkelstein · 11/03/2023 20:18

Foreversearch · 11/03/2023 20:10

Yes, there was a point in the Queens coronation when the dukes all put their coronets on at the same time. They were also wearing robes, an amazing sight.

Yes, it's a pretty amazing sight.

They all do it as the Queen was crowned.

You can see the QM and Princess Margaret with crowns in their hands ready to put them on too (Margaret actually put her over the tiara she was wearing).

Will there be ermine robes worn?

Foreversearch · 11/03/2023 20:24

i hope they do wear their robes, but over a suit. The colour pictures look wonderful
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Roussette · 11/03/2023 20:25

Has that been retrospectively put in colour? It must have been

MrsFinkelstein · 11/03/2023 20:25

Fellsidefeather · 11/03/2023 20:10

I’m finding this topic a little distasteful. My mother was section in the 1980s. Mental health issues of any kind were not dealt with at all well in the 1980s was my personal experience. My aunts - my mother’s sisters - never felt able to visit my mother during the many months my mother was sectioned. we even took our dog once a week to see her, as she was in a long, long time. No one ever supported me to deal with having a mother with psychosis who went undiagnosed for years because no-one believed my Dad till it got very, very bad. I don’t judge my aunts or the people who if they commented on it at all it was to tell me how lucky I was that my Dad hadn’t scarpered and abandoned my Mum and us.

If the queen ever got personally involved then I would image great lengths would have been made to keep that involvement private, in not small part to stop these poor people becoming a pawn and a tool for people’s agendas against the Queen and TRF.

It must be a very difficult topic, I'm so sorry, it wasn't great to read at all.

As a student nurse in the late 80s I'm very aware how lacking mental health care was and how stigmatising for all involved, even well up till recent years.

MrsFinkelstein · 11/03/2023 20:28

@Roussette apparently it was also filmed in colour, separate from the b&w BBC coverage, so I think that's original restored?

Fellsidefeather · 11/03/2023 20:33

Roussette · 11/03/2023 20:13

I appreciate your post Fellsidefeather and Flowers to you. How hard that must have been

Thank you. I appreciate your post.

Hbh17 · 11/03/2023 20:36

I have two first cousins. Haven't seen them since they came to my wedding as teenagers, 33 years ago. No fall out, I just don't think it would have occurred to any of us to keep in touch - why would we? This obsession with the alleged sacred nature of The Family just baffles me, as I consider friends to be vastly more important.
But if we think family ties are important, then we should give QEII credit for the fact that she did stay close to so many of her cousins and wider family. To criticise her as she has been on this thread is just bizarre.

Fellsidefeather · 11/03/2023 20:42

MrsFinkelstein · 11/03/2023 20:25

It must be a very difficult topic, I'm so sorry, it wasn't great to read at all.

As a student nurse in the late 80s I'm very aware how lacking mental health care was and how stigmatising for all involved, even well up till recent years.

Thank you for your lovely post.

CathyorClaire · 12/03/2023 11:18

DM reporting today that Sophie is 'relieved' she's been promoted as it means she no longer has to curtsey to Meghan.

Assuming the further reports of plots to cold shoulder H&M at the coronation are true she probably wasn't in any danger of potential kowtowing anyway but this stuff is like the plot of a Victorian novel 😁

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 12/03/2023 11:22

CathyorClaire · 12/03/2023 11:18

DM reporting today that Sophie is 'relieved' she's been promoted as it means she no longer has to curtsey to Meghan.

Assuming the further reports of plots to cold shoulder H&M at the coronation are true she probably wasn't in any danger of potential kowtowing anyway but this stuff is like the plot of a Victorian novel 😁

Well that’s bollocks as she never had to curtsy to Meghan in the first place.

The HRH’s don’t curtsy to each other.

CathyorClaire · 12/03/2023 11:40

Whole thing's archaic bollocks though from running round giving each other meaningless gongs to fighting like rats in a sack over who has 'precedence'.

Madness.

LadyEloise1 · 12/03/2023 12:23

CathyorClaire · 12/03/2023 11:40

Whole thing's archaic bollocks though from running round giving each other meaningless gongs to fighting like rats in a sack over who has 'precedence'.

Madness.

It's like a posh soap.
But with real people, not characters.

vera99 · 12/03/2023 20:16

SNP MP Tommy Sheppard said the appointment was emblematic of the monarchy’s “obsession with feudal patronage”.

“The fact that these titles and positions are determined by accident of birth and forever the preserve of just one family is completely at odds with modern democratic values,” he said. “In Scandinavian countries, monarchies have gone out of their way to slim down by stripping lesser royals of their hereditary titles. Not here. In the UK, there seems no end to their obsession with feudal patronage.”

Tristan Gray, the convener of Our Republic – a campaign group calling for an end to the monarchy in Scotland – told The National that the appointment of Prince Edward as Duke of Edinburgh was “an insult” to the residents of the capital city. He said: “I think it’s an insult to the people who call Edinburgh home that their city can be passed around as a trinket to be given to people as a birthday present, just so Edward can put it up on his wall in his Surrey mansion, as if he has any connection to the city whatsoever.

“The people of Edinburgh have legitimate democratic representation. They vote for it in their council elections, we had a by-election this week. They’ve got parliamentary representation, both in the Scottish Parliament and at Westminster. Those people are elected by and accountable to the people of Edinburgh. They are the legitimate representatives of the people who call the city home. And to have them undermined by the granting of this title – and the gifting of it as a birthday present – to distant aristocrats is an insult both to the people of Edinburgh themselves and to the very concept of the legitimate representation of those people.”

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 12/03/2023 20:19

In Scandinavian countries, monarchies have gone out of their way to slim down by stripping lesser royals of their hereditary titles

He’s rather over egging that pudding.

Denmark yes.

Sweden they’ve simply removed HRHs. The children are still titled Princes and Princesses.

And in Norway Martha Louise gave up her HH because her shaman boyfriend made some very, very dubious comments that were a step too far.

Its not radical reformations.

KnittingNeedles · 12/03/2023 20:19

Tommy Sheppard.... 😂😂😂

I was born and lived the first 20 odd years of my life about 10 minutes' walk from Holyrood Palace and I think it's a great move.

Tommy Sheppard, by contrast, is from Coleraine. Yes, the Coleraine in N Ireland.

vera99 · 12/03/2023 20:22

KnittingNeedles · 12/03/2023 20:19

Tommy Sheppard.... 😂😂😂

I was born and lived the first 20 odd years of my life about 10 minutes' walk from Holyrood Palace and I think it's a great move.

Tommy Sheppard, by contrast, is from Coleraine. Yes, the Coleraine in N Ireland.

Who has made Edinburgh his home unlike the 'Duke' ...

Coxspurplepippin · 12/03/2023 20:25

Is that the same Tommy Sheppard who is pally with holocaust denier Peter Gregson? The same bloke who thinks Scottish independence will happen because old people who support the union will die soon.

Aye, I'd be taking anything that numpty says with a mine full of salt.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 12/03/2023 20:31

Coxspurplepippin · 12/03/2023 20:25

Is that the same Tommy Sheppard who is pally with holocaust denier Peter Gregson? The same bloke who thinks Scottish independence will happen because old people who support the union will die soon.

Aye, I'd be taking anything that numpty says with a mine full of salt.

The very one.

KnittingNeedles · 12/03/2023 20:32

Name me some of the other Dukes who live where their title indicates they do, @vera99 . I'll wait.

Clue - the Duke of Sussex does not live in Brighton.

vera99 · 12/03/2023 20:36

KnittingNeedles · 12/03/2023 20:32

Name me some of the other Dukes who live where their title indicates they do, @vera99 . I'll wait.

Clue - the Duke of Sussex does not live in Brighton.

You've made my point for me. Archaic, pointless titles. Edward dropped out of the Marines and yet still gets to wear a big fancy uniform, playing dress up in a uniform he didn’t earn and a title for a city to which he has no connection. It is feudal and out-of-touch.

Coxspurplepippin · 12/03/2023 20:41

So you'll be barracking for the Duke and Duchess of Montecito to forego their titles then?

vera99 · 12/03/2023 20:57

Coxspurplepippin · 12/03/2023 20:41

So you'll be barracking for the Duke and Duchess of Montecito to forego their titles then?

Fight on the home front first, but yes it's all a nonsense in the end. These no doubt date back to when the monarch's authority was underpinned by the ability of local baron's to raise armies on his behalf and with these titles would come land and wealth and authority. Where's Edward's army, where is his authority earned in battle or honour ? Temping in the office of Lloyd's Webber's Really Useful Group after wimping out of the marines decades ago doesn't really cut it.

Coxspurplepippin · 12/03/2023 20:58

'Where's Edward's army, where is his authority earned in battle or honour ? Temping in the office of Lloyd's Webber's Really Useful Group after wimping out of the marines decades ago doesn't really cut it.'

Nasty.

CathyorClaire · 12/03/2023 21:00

Name me some of the other Dukes who live where their title indicates they do

Dropping a rank or two what do you make of the entirely fictitious Earldom of Wessex?

KrasiTime · 12/03/2023 21:01

vera99 · 12/03/2023 20:57

Fight on the home front first, but yes it's all a nonsense in the end. These no doubt date back to when the monarch's authority was underpinned by the ability of local baron's to raise armies on his behalf and with these titles would come land and wealth and authority. Where's Edward's army, where is his authority earned in battle or honour ? Temping in the office of Lloyd's Webber's Really Useful Group after wimping out of the marines decades ago doesn't really cut it.

I think Edward was incredibly gutsy actually to say the marines weren’t from him considering he must have known the stuff that would be said. Far braver to admit that it’s not for you.

He’s not the first & he won’t be the last to find a career isn’t what you thought it would be. Shame we can’t all be as perfect as you.