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Lilibet christened and will be using the title Princess

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miri1985 · 08/03/2023 12:25

What happened to just call me Harry? Why would they want their children to be burdened with titles?

“When reached by PEOPLE, a spokesperson for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex said: "I can confirm that Princess Lilibet Diana was christened on Friday, March 3 by the Archbishop of Los Angeles, the Rev John Taylor."

people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-daughter-princess-lilibet-christened-california/

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Xenia · 08/03/2023 18:06

Yetmore it at untrue. Harry was baptised at a chapel, a place consecrated for God. www.stgeorges-windsor.org/
"St George's Chapel, Windsor Castle
He was christened Henry Charles Albert David on 21 December 1984 at St George's Chapel, Windsor Castle, by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Robert Runcie."

Ooompaloopa · 08/03/2023 18:07

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 08/03/2023 17:51

Nice attempt at deflection. It’s what she said and how correct she was/is about deranged anti M&H posters

That rather depends on how much importance you give to her opinions. In my case it's none; altho I find the use of the word 'deranged' on a site that gives such good advice on MH to be slightly distasteful.

I agree.

She’s just as disingenuous and disrespectful as anyone. She scheduled this interview for the day before the launch of Spare in an attempt to get on the bandwagon - but had to lower herself by deriding her own customers and using insensitive / oppressive phraseology just to get a sound bite.

Arrocahar23 · 08/03/2023 18:08

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 08/03/2023 18:03

I’m not a fan of her parents, but she’s a Princess in exactly the same way William and Harry were princes - grandchildren of the monarch - so that’s just a daft thing to say.

Neither of the Harkle children are entitled to use HRH. My point.

Howsimplywonderful · 08/03/2023 18:08

I wouldn’t get too excited about titles either, their choice, it won’t make much difference to their lives (apart from filling out forms those drop down menu options will be a headache, do they offer a title option)

BadgerB · 08/03/2023 18:09

miri1985 · Today 12:25
a spokesperson for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex said: "I can confirm that Princess Lilibet Diana was christened on Friday, March 3 by the Archbishop of Los Angeles, the Rev John Taylor."

This sounds as though she has been given "Princess" as a Christian name at her baptism. It's quiet possible to do this. In the U.S. aren't people baptised Prince, or Earl etc?

Not that it's very Christian...

DuchessOfPort · 08/03/2023 18:10

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 08/03/2023 18:02

Harry wasn’t baptised in a church. Neither was William so it’s obviously not a rule here.

They were both baptised at Buckingham Palace.

Harry was christened in St George’s Chapel, where he was married. Archie was also christened there.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 08/03/2023 18:10

Xenia · 08/03/2023 18:06

Yetmore it at untrue. Harry was baptised at a chapel, a place consecrated for God. www.stgeorges-windsor.org/
"St George's Chapel, Windsor Castle
He was christened Henry Charles Albert David on 21 December 1984 at St George's Chapel, Windsor Castle, by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Robert Runcie."

Apologies. J thought both Wales boys were baptised at Buck.

My main point stands though - William was definitely baptised in the music room at BP by the Archbishop. So church isn’t a pre-requisite.

Arrocahar23 · 08/03/2023 18:10

Eqs · 08/03/2023 18:06

Any minute now someone (Justine?) is going to accuse the ‘deranged Mumsnetters’ of creating the South Park episode featuring ‘Waaaagh’ because, obvs, we’re the only people calling out the hypocritical behaviour….

I suggest Twitter is worth a look in the interests of educating herself.

ajandjjmum · 08/03/2023 18:11

Made me wonder if they've done it so that if Charles does change things so that they lose their titles, 'Lili' can justifiably hold on to hers as it's her 'first name'. Grin

jeffgoldblum · 08/03/2023 18:11

Twitter is a cesspit!

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 08/03/2023 18:12

Arrocahar23 · 08/03/2023 18:08

Neither of the Harkle children are entitled to use HRH. My point.

Yes they are.

They are male line grandchildren of the monarch.

They’re entitled to HRH Prince/Princess from the moment their grandfather becomes King. Just as the children of Charles, Andrew and Edward were entitled to it from birth because their grandmother was already Queen.

LikeTearsInRain · 08/03/2023 18:12

Donnashair · 08/03/2023 17:49

Yes Meghan said in the Oprah interview

Meghan replied: “In those months when I was pregnant, all around this same time, so we [had] the conversation of he won’t be given security, he’s not going to be given a title.

Thanks for the details.

They are allowed to change their minds

Why all of the literal plebs to the Royals care about any of this is beyond me

jeffgoldblum · 08/03/2023 18:13

ajandjjmum · 08/03/2023 18:11

Made me wonder if they've done it so that if Charles does change things so that they lose their titles, 'Lili' can justifiably hold on to hers as it's her 'first name'. Grin

I doubt that , it was probably a clumsy worded statement, scoobie isn't as up on royal protocol as he thinks.

DuchessOfPort · 08/03/2023 18:13

Arrocahar23 · 08/03/2023 18:08

Neither of the Harkle children are entitled to use HRH. My point.

@SenecaFallsRedux - forgive me for tagging you but can you clarify this? I’ve always been under the impression if you get Princess, you get HRH too.

I’m curious as to if they’re like “we dare to go for Princess Lilibet but we don’t quite dare go the whole hog!”

DappledThings · 08/03/2023 18:14

BadgerB · 08/03/2023 18:09

miri1985 · Today 12:25
a spokesperson for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex said: "I can confirm that Princess Lilibet Diana was christened on Friday, March 3 by the Archbishop of Los Angeles, the Rev John Taylor."

This sounds as though she has been given "Princess" as a Christian name at her baptism. It's quiet possible to do this. In the U.S. aren't people baptised Prince, or Earl etc?

Not that it's very Christian...

It really doesn't. If it read as "our daughter was Christened Princess Lilibet Diana" then it might imply they had given her Princess as a Baptismal name. But it refers to her with her title and says she was Christened.

The idea that they have decided to give her an additional first name of Princess is ludicrous. As are the multiple suggestions on Twitter that doing so would have affected her birth certificate.

Howsimplywonderful · 08/03/2023 18:14

@jeffgoldblum

Omid didn’t even get the ‘Bishops’ title correct.

Donnashair · 08/03/2023 18:15

LikeTearsInRain · 08/03/2023 18:12

Thanks for the details.

They are allowed to change their minds

Why all of the literal plebs to the Royals care about any of this is beyond me

That doesn’t even make sense.

She didn’t say that she and Harry didn’t want them to have titles and now have changed their minds.

Why do you care? Which you clearly do, since you made up that no newspapers can give a direct quote and it took me 30 seconds to find a direct quote

wordler · 08/03/2023 18:15

Arrocahar23 · 08/03/2023 18:05

It’s not their choice. Consider their appalling behaviour - I think the King is the one who has real choices.

Well, yes, the King has choices too of course. He can create a Letters Patent tomorrow and change the rules over titles etc.

But within a situation that exists - ie reality - you have two parents with two children who at this present time have a variety of titles and non-title social styling available to them.

Their choice completely which ones they want to currently use or not.

Just as it's anyone else's choice to judge them or not for which titles and how they use them.

Personally - I think it's odd they didn't use the lesser titles if they wanted titles for their children, at the time when they were still fully working royals.

When they left to live a different kind of life in the USA it then made total sense to have not used the titles.

Which is why I think this latest move is weird and not necessarily the best option for two American citizens.

Howsimplywonderful · 08/03/2023 18:15

@DappledThings

This is how they get around the abolition of titles in Germany, so hardly ludicrous

jeffgoldblum · 08/03/2023 18:16

Very true @Howsimplywonderful ! , not surprised, however maybe the error was to make it sound more impressive!
Wouldn't put it past him!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/03/2023 18:16

It's natural to want the very best for your beloved children

I agree completely, though am not sure how being called Prince/Princess - in America of all places - can be considered "the best"

I'd have thought it better to do what Edward and Sophie have done and leave it for the DCs to decide when they're older

MarshaMelrose · 08/03/2023 18:16

Chasedbythechaser · 08/03/2023 17:55

Why are you on MN then if you have no interest in what any MN posters say? Do you realise how contradictory you are?
Anti M&H posters are missing brain cells.

I'm not sure it's Iced Purple missing those cells. It's quite clear what they're saying. It's not that she's not interested in the opinions of others, they just don't give Justin's opinion greater weight than they give to anyone else's. In other words, they hold everyone's opinion at equal value, but agree with some more than others.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 08/03/2023 18:18

DuchessOfPort · 08/03/2023 18:13

@SenecaFallsRedux - forgive me for tagging you but can you clarify this? I’ve always been under the impression if you get Princess, you get HRH too.

I’m curious as to if they’re like “we dare to go for Princess Lilibet but we don’t quite dare go the whole hog!”

Not Seneca, but she is entitled to HRH Princess.

My assumption is that they’ve gone with mirroring their own titles - Harry now uses Princes without HRH.

It also interestingly mirrors the Swedish changes made recently with Princess Madeleine and Prince Carl-Philip’s children now being Prince/Princess first name with no HRH.

vera99 · 08/03/2023 18:18

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 08/03/2023 17:41

I think I have reached peak Mumsnet batshittery - Justine was right some posters re Meghan are simply deranged, shame I don't profit from it like she does though !

What is it with all these people quoting “Justine” like she’s their mate?

Your old mucker Justine profits out of you too you know, @vera99.

I'm on a big old desktop with industrial grade ad blockers, so she probably isn't. On a mobile when I'm out and about, I find the site so frustrating I hardly use it. But a hat tip to her for founding and maintaining the site over the years. There is nothing like it, bar none. William should have words and get us malcontents cast into the nether regions...

Lilibet christened and will be using the title Princess
LuluBlakey1 · 08/03/2023 18:24

SenecaFallsRedux · 08/03/2023 12:52

Bowing or curtseying is not an issue with Americans. Protocol has long been that Americans don't bow or curtsey to foreign monarchs, much less their progeny. Some might choose to, but there is certainly no expectation.

There is no expectation in the UK from the Royal Family- it is a choice that many choose because of social convention and because they are monarchists. The only people who are expected to do so are members of the Royal Family, the first time they meet thd monarch that day, not every time they see them in a day.

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